Camp Rules

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the better question is why are volunteer GMs even responding to petitions rn? Just let the server play out...

Nothing bad will happen, I promise.

Focus on reimbursements and shit.

Here here. As said in the recent drama posts and by wise people in real life, left adults work things out. The GM staff here have become like a nanny state government, throwing around arbitrary and subjective decisions on matters of ethics.
Also, if they'd stop focusing on 5% of the top end of the hierarchy and worried more about the life of the game outside of raiding, the server would be more healthy.

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, seems like RnF material

You mean like Boutik's 'woe is me, I'm just an honest salesman making a living' vanity thread?
A quarter or more of threads in General Chat belong in RnF. I've been calling them out for ages, to keep them where they belong. Maybe the GMs could raid quest less and forum quest more for once.

Originally Posted by Tuurin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously. We're suspending people for ks'ing level 20 generic orcs? Tell me there's more to this story...

Probably not..likely it's not the content though whom was involved and tie's in with the below..

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was your response to GM's? Especially for KS or camp issues, GM's will message you and ask about the situation first. They don't blindly suspend for no reason.

Really? Ever met any of Chest's pocket GMs that would insta suspend/ban people within moments of a claim being made?

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

90% of cases where said person has been banned was because they either mouthed off to GM

Mouthing off to a GM? Subjective considerations aside, that is not an infraction. If Sirken can log on at Stormfeather, and start killing, porting and suspending people for not following his sudden on the spot change to the rules so his friend can keep a named camp, then I think it's only appropriate we can have cart blanch to say what we like.

We all make this assumption that the game managers actually review cases like these, and frankly I find little evidence they do given the time frames involved and the absurd results we get most of the time.
The likelihood is they don't work from a platform of fact finding and evidence based decision making, it's more likely proponderence of evidence - so in short, if player A complains then the first thing they think is 'why would someone make a complaint? It must have happened!'
or player A complains and the GM thinks 'I know this person, they're telling the truth!'
Welcome to the world of where the accused has to defend themselves or in these cases, never has the chance.
Thank you college campuses for indoctrinating our neckbearded male college students into swallowing the #believethevictim pill

[aaezil]

The rules on this server are not clearly stated anywhere and will change based on how a gm feels that day. Hence why we have this exact thread every few weeks.

[Mead]

no guides will be available for question as they're all unpaid volunteers and don't have time for such trivial matters

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by bigjeff100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always thought suspensions were 30 days.. Either way that sucks man. From the details i can see.. I actually side with you.. Whether you did the right thing or not rule wise, i am a supporter of people can and need to use more common sense... If i see something camped, i just move on without even asking. I don't want to know if i can have 1 spawn out of your 6 mobs, or how long your gonna be. I just legitimately move on and find something else to do. And that's what homey shoulda done.. Seen it was camped, caught agro, shoulda kept moving. Instead he threw a fit, and this is where you are now.

It has to be taken into consideration that handing drops off to hold a camp could be considered the same as corpsing an AC ring and continuing to camp the AC.

There are also reasons why the vast majority of the people on the server have never been suspended or banned their entire time playing. Can't go wrong with "Play Nice Policy".

[Xaeophi]

wait.. I thought in order to hold a camp you had to clear the surrounding mobs around it too?
Think of Sir Lucan. Isnt the rule to hold the camp being you have to kill Jentry and that other guard in the room with him? Cant just "Hide" in the room afk til he spawns?

[Legidias]

You're thinking of dungeons. That issue with Lucan never got an actual response afaik.

Outdoors = you can claim a single spawn (i.e. stormfeather) as long as you clear that single spawn.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being in range to get experience from a mob with a key item has never, ever, ever been an issue with camps on the server. Like, ever. The idol that drops is a specific one of a kind deal with its effect that is especially useful in raiding, or for personal use in reaching a location that would normally be a death sentence to try. Plane of Mischief zone click is the first example that comes to mind.

There's no burden on any player to cheerfully farm plat in some other location and then enter EC hoping that an appropriate level player happened to score the item they need from a camp they were able to get experience from. A player mowing down orcs for CB belts? That kind of thing is garbage and should be called out. A player mowing down orcs for a specific item that might not even make an appearance of 3-4 days of camping, if their luck is bad? It's not even the same thing.

He was saying let the lowbie rando get exp/scalps and just camp the idol guy

He spawns in 1 spot only yas?

[Naerron]

what you did is called zone disruption

[Naerron]

Originally Posted by Xaeophi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wait.. I thought in order to hold a camp you had to clear the surrounding mobs around it too?
Think of Sir Lucan. Isnt the rule to hold the camp being you have to kill Jentry and that other guard in the room with him? Cant just "Hide" in the room afk til he spawns?

what about stormfeather then?

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're thinking of dungeons. That issue with Lucan never got an actual response afaik.

Outdoors = you can claim a single spawn (i.e. stormfeather) as long as you clear that single spawn.

There is an official response on lucan (had to petition to get the answer) and it's that you have to clear lucan's room to claim lucan (even though the other spawns aren't PHs and have nothing to do with the camp) You won't find this information in the rules anywhere, though. You have to literally petition or get petitioned to find out how to play by the rules on this server.