People Boxing Think They Are So Clever

[DisbeAsos]

MQ was one of the many declines in Original EQ. I was getting towards the end of my raid career and not having enough time to put into hardcore raiding i started MQing. It was fun for a few weeks and then i realized i wasnt grouping anymore and missing the social aspect of the game. This was something that effected everyone as people LFG couldnt get in a group because half the groups were MQ groups. I used MQ for 2-3 months and then thats about the time i stopped playing.

I came back to EQ a few months ago for a Winter and night time hobby. The things i enjoy the most and am currently enjoying that ive missed for the last 10 years is the community, social and economy aspects of the game. These are the things i thought about from time to time in my 10 years away and why i am playing.

My wife likes to play a little EQ too and we use our mobile phones on hot spot for internet. I have an IP exemption so we can play together. I had a friend ask me to log her toon on while i was in another zone to do a transfer and i told him no way no how. I am trying to get my 12 and 16 yr old interested so i can play with them too so we may end up having 3 or 4 accounts on at the same time. IP exemptions are needed and a great idea.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by French Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there should not be any ip exemptions as they are going to be abused 100%

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

[tg822]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

Painfully accurate. Despite being ostensibly social games mmos encourage antisocial behavior.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.

And there are in fact quite a lot of people who are not in a race with anything and don't get obsessed by having particular anythings in these games.

And I still find it nearly unbelievable that people actually box by choice, before P99 I had never paid much attention to it and always associated it with Chinese plat-farmer slaves. It's like having a nice sportscar and taking it out to drive 5mph in deep mud. Yes, technically you're still driving a nice car, but every drop of fun in the experience has been removed, and that's what I think of when I think of trying to run multiple characters at once with EQ, or any game for that matter where managing multiple characters isn't designed in (BG etc.)

People who box by choice in games like these, particularly 20 year old niche games, have absolutely zero interest in what these games were designed to provide: exploration, wonder, meet lots of people, with exciting combat.

They don't go anywhere other than where maximum value to them is, they're not interested by anything they see, they don't want to interact with anyone, and the only thing they think about combat is how I can make it quicker and easier and more pointless. Only thing they care about is having whatever it is they want, be it level or item, and anything between them and those goals is just an annoyance to be cheated/min-maxed through as quickly as possible.

They don't actually experience anything, and probably don't know what it means. All they know is blind desire for whatever thing they've locked onto now as the next thing they MUST have, probably because they think that thing will make them feel better somehow. But it never does. And so they're locked in an endless chase for things that won't fix anything.

Basically their priorities are so utterly farked that the one thing you can be sure of is that they're doing none too well in life, and it ain't getting any better.

There are plenty of eqemu servers that allow boxing as well as that being part of the classic experience. I find your attitude very condescending and I think you're involved in a lot of projection. Maybe that's how you would feel if you did it, but you don't get to tell people how to play in an open world mmo with no win conditions. It's not allowed on P99 and that's cool, but don't get all high and mighty how you're playing the right way and other people are blind and farked and whatever. Some people are anti-social and so what. You gotta go preen what bad people they are?

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not allowed on P99 and that's cool, but don't get all high and mighty how you're playing the right way and other people are blind and farked and whatever. Some people are anti-social and so what. You gotta go preen what bad people they are?

You're right that I should have said all of that applies to P99 boxers, who are cheating to do what they do. Those people have issues as it's not a matter of being antisocial, it's a matter of cheating to get what they want faster.

I would still be unable to fathom why boxing would be fun in any context, but you're right that I should have acknowledged those who only do it where it's allowed may be doing so because they want a group without people... but you know then the question is why is the person playing an MMO? Hard to follow the logic, like someone with a fear of spiders deciding they HAVE to go work at the world's largest spider zoo. But anyway, if they're not cheating then they're just being a little odd and no harm no foul.

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would still be unable to fathom why boxing would be fun in any context

I played on a few servers with boxing rules, and there's usually 2 different rulesets. One is two toons with no MQ2 (Imperium for example) and another is as many toons as you want with MQ2 support (Visions of Grandeur and Casual Dreams, EZ server, and more).

It really comes down to different playstyles. 2-box servers without MQ2 support are basically saying "If you want some extra power, you're welcome to it, but you have to manually play the two toons" so it can make EQ play a little more like, say, Secret of Mana for example.

Unlimited boxing MQ2 servers make EQ more of a "party management" game rather than a heavy roleplay experience. Think Dragon Age instead of Fallout, where you care about multiple characters and the gameplay is more in your ability to multitask. Different playstyles for different people. Most people played EQ for the social and roleplay aspects, though, which is why P99 and its no boxing ruleset makes the most popular server.

[vossiewulf]

Originally Posted by greenspectre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really comes down to different playstyles. 2-box servers without MQ2 support are basically saying "If you want some extra power, you're welcome to it, but you have to manually play the two toons" so it can make EQ play a little more like, say, Secret of Mana for example.

Unlimited boxing MQ2 servers make EQ more of a "party management" game rather than a heavy roleplay experience. Think Dragon Age

Thanks for the perspective.

[Frug]

Originally Posted by vossiewulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you and your friends are people who cheat 100% of the time unless prevented from doing so doesn't mean everyone is like that.