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[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by drdrakes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said all this before a Bard RMTed a Haste Belt.

Lolz, yea best weapon for bard in classic is a sharkskin drum, and if you are fear/snare kiting a named 47+ mob sure hit it with tash orbs first.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dex does nothing for bards same with Str(until epic) having your instrument dotting is superior DPs to any classic weapon setup even with CoF and enchanter haste. No offense to you but I hate when non bards try to chime in about stats like str and dex for a bard and then promote using weapons... if a bard is using weapons after like lvl 27 they are doing it all wrong.

I mained multiple bards and here's a video of me killing Seafuries with my level 57 and alternating charm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8x...ature=youtu.be.
I also made a guide that explained everything you needed to know and everything that the class is capable of.

Dex helps you with missed notes, although not my first choice. STR has benefits too. And that's besides the fact that your resists are literally useless in a group or when you're soloing non-casters, which is 80% of the mobs.

And regarding melee:

1. I used to fear kite and melee because it intuitively did more damage.
2. You don't get your good single target dots until 38 and 46 (chant of flame / frost), and your AOE will break mez.
3. If you're twisting 3-4 dots then you're not twisting buffs.
4. If you're meleeing with FBSS, haste, good weapons, and twisting 4 other buffs then thats benefiting the group far more then if you're just standing there dotting.
5. Do you have any math to support your claim?

That's why I think you're better off meleeing, besides during downtime. But if you can prove it with numbers or parses then maybe i'll change my mind.

[Wallicker]

If you max your instrument skills you’ll pretty much never miss notes regardless of dex. If you do it costs you a millisecond to recast.
Right now dots should be doing full dmg without fear so that’s a waste of a song
The regen from your lute is going to heavily outweigh any meager dps you do with weapons even if you aren’t dotting.
Drum Dots with drums not only do over Double dmg with drums but it also drastically boosts the debuffing effect fufils(Mr) flame(FR) frost(Cr), these debuffs allow slows, stuns, nukes to land easier and for full dmg.
If your in a group that you are tanking with no haste and no slows and you have melee in group, twisting regen with lute then swapping in two weapons while you twist your other 3 songs is cool but if you had to choose bw lute for 4song twist or just weapons lute regen lowers downtime and saves healers so much mana it’s silly.
And of course this margin becomes even more significant in velious once cantana is introduced and requires a lute until 55.
PS. Charming seafuries at lvl 57 isn’t impressive.

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the only reason I don't melee in that video is because they do too much damage from inconsistent fear breaks, charm breaks and missed notes. .

If you had a drum equipped and kept Oos and fufils up you wouldn’t have these issues.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

My level 21 Shammy just got an Ogre War Maul.

Am I doing it right?

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you max your instrument skills you’ll pretty much never miss notes regardless of dex. If you do it costs you a millisecond to recast.
Right now dots should be doing full dmg without fear so that’s a waste of a song
The regen from your lute is going to heavily outweigh any meager dps you do with weapons even if you aren’t dotting.
Drum Dots with drums not only do over Double dmg with drums but it also drastically boosts the debuffing effect fufils(Mr) flame(FR) frost(Cr), these debuffs allow slows, stuns, nukes to land easier and for full dmg.
If your in a group that you are tanking with no haste and no slows and you have melee in group, twisting regen with lute then swapping in two weapons while you twist your other 3 songs is cool but if you had to choose bw lute for 4song twist or just weapons lute regen lowers downtime and saves healers so much mana it’s silly.
And of course this margin becomes even more significant in velious once cantana is introduced and requires a lute until 55.
PS. Charming seafuries at lvl 57 isn’t impressive.

Nothing in Everquest is impressive. But it proves that I'm experienced with the class and can play it effectively.

I've run lots of royals groups with one healer, no bard, chain pulls and zero downtime. And you can cap people off with a lute during pulls.

I could see chant of flame, chant of frost, DS, and regen with only instruments being better than melee, but you can't do that until level 46 and its still debatable for many reasons. And using buffs with instruments also has potential but I highly doubt its better than meeling with good weapons and haste while still twisting those buffs. If you have math or parses for any of those options then i'd genuinely like to see it. Otherwise we can simply disagree.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had a drum equipped and kept Oos and fufils up you wouldn’t have these issues.

If you're using only instruments then you don't have to fear kite. And meleeing while fear kiting was still better damage. Its just not as viable at higher levels because the mobs hit too hard and you can't keep them feared 100% of the time while charming. And you shouldn't be tanking in a group besides the occasional hits that you can regen during downtime.

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're using only instruments then you don't have to fear kite. And meleeing while fear kiting was still better damage. Its just not as viable at higher levels because the mobs hit too hard and you can't keep them feared 100% of the time while charming. And you shouldn't be tanking in a group besides the occasional hits that you can regen during downtime.

Why would you fear and charm? Just alternate charms memblurring so they fight each other... you won’t even get hit.

Lute is 18 hp regen per tick at 48 ... trust me this on every member of your group is better than paltry bard DPS w/ no double attack. Not mention to CC you will be swapping targets so meleeing isn’t near as effective.

Once Nivs and shield of song are in game with fear this debate becomes even more lopsided btw

Stick to ya Paladin

[Richco07]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a retard

What's your IRL Name and Address noob?

[bubur]

Originally Posted by Richco07 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your IRL Name and Address noob?

its time to take a few steps back from the keyboard my guy