Enchanter OP impact poll

[chowdah555]

I can't speak for earlier expansions because I didn't play an enchanter at first. However, by the time the Planes of power rolled out, charming was common place. I used to do lots of it in the PoTactics pits and it was a common strategy for Rallos Zek to charm his adds against him.

I would agree with what many saying that it wasn't common in groups in Kunark and Velious. Cc and buffs were the expectation. I found it really unusual grouping my first times in blue in KC in my early 50s when I came back to the game and people expected me to automatically pick up a pet.

[tankboyt]

Never played an Enchanter til green but I charmed a lot as a nec and could regularly get charms to last during Veksar era EQ.

Having played enchanter to 59 on green to be good at the class you almost have to pay attention almost 100% of the time. Exp will be flowing like crazy then charm will almost on cue break at the worst possible time and it’s a wipe.

I think the power of the enchanter is offset by the need for undivided attention and the need for a healer pref a cleric cause you’re gonna die.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 2021 not 1999. see G13's posts that people played differently back then.

There is no "fixing" Channeling. You would have to overhaul the entire emulator code and tick system to accomplish this. And being on a server that favors nerfing to 'solve' problems. You shouldn't expect this to be resolved.

As G13 said enchanter's back in 1999 stacked INT, not CHA. Information like archives, comment sections, memories and the p99 wiki have ultimately curved the avg players direction they go flying. Like opening flood gates it can't be closed.

Another issue you're facing, Are those enchanter charm issues BUG related to the classic everquest environment? It's unlikely they will ever reproduce bugs perfectly to match live's classic gameplay.

Please don't get me wrong, I want pure 1:1 everquest classic. it's a dream but I can't help but feel frustrated for you with these threads you make about these topics.

Except people did play exactly the same as evidenced by that Angelfire site and many other sources. Everyone knew how charm could work. It just didn't work that way often and certainly not like P99 with minimal risk.

What are you talking about there is no fixing channeling? I've looked at the exact code that handles it and even proposed pseudocode to fix it in the bug report about it.

The Wiki argument is stupid. Allkhazam existed in classic. Tons of class specific sites existed with tons of detailed info and players absolutely read them. Such a stupid argument.

So far based on the poll results the majority thinks Enchanter is OP and needs to be nerfed. I guess that makes you the minority on P99 who thinks Enchanter is fine as is.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far based on the poll results the majority thinks Enchanter is OP and needs to be nerfed.

This is all you wanted.

I want pure classic as it was in 1999, unadulterated by jaded neckbeards and staff.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all you wanted.

Yes, all I wanted is for Enchanter to be nerfed based on all the evidence that exists. In fact, all I've ever said I wanted was for channeling to be fixed which I felt would fix Enchanter.

Now we see a majority of the players seem to also feel Enchanter is detrimental and non-classic. Yes, I also wanted to point out the majority feels this way and the vocal forum trolls who attack me until I provide evidence are in the minority and most likely play Enchanter and enjoy it's OP nature.

Even if Enchanter was 100% classic in it's current mode, which I don't think it is, it would still deserve to be nerfed for trivializing content the same way other things have been nerfed on P99 in non classic ways.

There are so many ways to look at this that all point to nerfing Enchanter to improve the P99 experience. Doesn't matter if you think it's classic or not. Doesn't matter. In the end current Enchanter mechanics are detrimental to the server in a variety of ways that no other class comes close to. They're no different than Bards AE kiting or Chardok AE groups or Necros giving their pets fine steel daggers. Tons of classic mechanics that were nerfed on P99 to enforce more social and balanced play.

Also it's not just charm. As already mentioned the bug with Mez mem blur allowing wipes on recasts is also a big deal. These are proven bugs. Not theories. Evidence is provided for all of them.

I don't like playing EQ where the game is easy mode. It's simple as that. That's why I bug reported Kith mobs having low HP. It's why I complained about the ZEMs until they changed. People only cry when I bring up Enchanter it seems.

I want pure classic as it was in 1999, unadulterated by jaded neckbeards and staff.

Sounds good, let's return all the classic mechanics that were nerfed and I won't complain about Enchanter anymore. Nerfing all kinds of classic shit on P99 and then saying "Enchanter is classic! Don't touch!" is bullshit. All I want is equal treatment. Either all OP bullshit classic stuff gets nerfed or none of it gets nerfed. Don't nerf Bard AE kiting and then let Enchanter trivialize planes with charm. Either or. Also all the said, Enchanter is still not classic, and it's due to channeling for the most part.

[Snortles Chortles]

he's absolutely right about channeling
i played a wizard on live and mobs only had to sneeze on you to interrupt

[Baler]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds good, let's return all the classic mechanics that were nerfed and I won't complain about Enchanter anymore. Nerfing all kinds of classic shit on P99 and then saying "Enchanter is classic! Don't touch!" is bullshit. All I want is equal treatment. Either all OP bullshit classic stuff gets nerfed or none of it gets nerfed. Don't nerf Bard AE kiting and then let Enchanter trivialize planes with charm. Either or. Also all the said, Enchanter is still not classic, and it's due to channeling for the most part.

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[Snortles Chortles]

pick the wrong race for enchanter too, eh?
(LOL)

[Vexenu]

I support azxten's efforts here and salute his perseverance in digging up evidence. Everyone who played in the Classic era knows Enchanters were nothing like they are on P1999. The reason OP is getting such pushback is not because he's wrong, but because so many P199 players have an Enchanter they use to solo/duo farm with. Reminiscent of the old quote that "it's difficult to get a man to understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it".

It's too late to undo the damage OP Enchanters have caused at this point, but it would be very nice if they were brought classically in line for the next iteration of Green. I think the evidence he's gathered is very compelling if people would actually bother to look at it. Also keep in mind that some of the best evidence that Enchanters in general and charm in particular is OP is the glaring LACK of evidence in wayback EQ posts of discussion about exploiting the power of charm. This is exactly the same situation we had with combat bind wound, which was another ridiculously unclassic mechanic that people were exploiting. They tried to claim there was no evidence that it didn't exist in classic. Which was correct. Because it wasn't a thing. The best evidence against it was the fact that NO ONE TALKED ABOUT IT. Whereas if it had existed it would have been talked about non-stop especially on the Monk forums as a soloing tactic. But there was literally not a single mention of it anywhere. Routine Enchanter charm soloing occupies a similar situation in the classic era. It wasn't talked about simply because there was nothing to talk about! Everyone who tried it recognized that it was basically suicidal and horribly XP inefficient, especially indoors and solo/unbuffed. It wasn't a thing back then and it shouldn't be a thing on P1999. But not only is it a thing here, it is THE thing, to the extent that it's literally the defining aspect of the class on P1999 above and beyond buffing and CC. Absolutely unclassic.

[Snortles Chortles]

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