The Bard Problem

[Hogwash]

Originally Posted by Nevron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some bards are good at controlling their trains, considerate, and do not cause any problems for other players. Others have gotten my character killed or forced them to zone on more than one occasion. As usual, there are a few who screw things up for everyone else. Rule changes won't affect that.

I also don't care if one class is easier / harder to play than another. Differences are good.

However, it should get progressively harder the more mobs you add, otherwise the rules are just broken (classic or not). The current limit appears to be zone mob population or lag.

Some Ideas:

1. The 7th mob after the same target should go just a little faster, and the 8th faster still...

2. The kite starts to cause drag on the kiter as it gets bigger.

3. One of the mobs actually gets smart and waits for the bard to come back around.

or not!

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Nevron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some bards are good at controlling their trains, considerate, and do not cause any problems for other players. Others have gotten my character killed or forced them to zone on more than one occasion. As usual, there are a few who screw things up for everyone else. Rule changes won't affect that.

I also don't care if one class is easier / harder to play than another. Differences are good.

However, it should get progressively harder the more mobs you add, otherwise the rules are just broken (classic or not). The current limit appears to be zone mob population or lag.

Some Ideas:

1. The 7th mob after the same target should go just a little faster, and the 8th faster still...

2. The kite starts to cause drag on the kiter as it gets bigger.

3. One of the mobs actually gets smart and waits for the bard to come back around.

Proposing non-classic solutions to a classic problem is asinine*. Also, it gets a lot harder the more mobs you get, because at a certain point if you slip up even once during your 5+ minute kite, with enough mobs, you're just going to instantly die. You make ae kiting sound easy, and it's really not, especially to be any good at it. I've done it for probably 24 hours of play time and still die quite a bit doing it. It's difficult, it's risky, and it gets harder the more mobs you do it with. I would wager that anyone who says otherwise has never even tried it here.

*for this server

[jerus]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Proposing non-classic solutions to a classic problem is asinine*. Also, it gets a lot harder the more mobs you get, because at a certain point if you slip up even once during your 5+ minute kite, with enough mobs, you're just going to instantly die. You make ae kiting sound easy, and it's really not, especially to be any good at it. I've done it for probably 24 hours of play time and still die quite a bit doing it. It's difficult, it's risky, and it gets harder the more mobs you do it with. I would wager that anyone who says otherwise has never even tried it here.

*for this server

That's exactly it. I can do like 5-7 mobs where I am now and survive a round, add that 8/9 mob and i don't know so it makes it much more stressful and you are more careful meaning a longer kite, and then still if you screw up at 5% on the mobs and die, all that time was wasted and have fun finding a rez hehe.

[Azazel]

Heres an idea, start grouping in dungeons where bards cant kite.

[shdwdrake8]

Originally Posted by Azazel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heres an idea, start grouping in dungeons where bards cant kite.

[Nevron]

Yes, the PBAE nerf was 2004 (after this server's time) but it's sort of classic (closer to then than now). I wasn't offering it up as a "good idea", just as a counterpoint.

It seems from the postings that a lot of bards play here specifically for AoE kiting. Nerfing it would presumably mean a lot of them would quit. I don't really want to spoil it for them if that's what floats their boat.

On the other hand, maybe there are more bards who don't like the "bad rep" they get because of the extreme kiters, and would actually like it better if that wasn't the only thing bards were known for.

[mwatt]

It's hard to blame a Bard for using the tools he has been given to get experience.

However, just because one CAN do something, doesn't mean one SHOULD. As always, politeness and a certain amount of being reasonable are in order when rubbing shoulders with other players.