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Old 08-19-2022, 04:49 PM
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You know, the problem is with how they mitigated enemy HP and DPS.

Like enemies have too much HP and do too much DPS, while players have too little HP and do too little DPS.

Enemies should have less HP and them and we should do less DPS and then when you charmed things it'd be less OP

Thats what I reckon.
enchanters are OP so just stack 4 enchanter or balance all of EQ, simple
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:49 PM
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Enchanter, Enchanter, Enchanter, Cleric.

3 charmed pets, cleric for oh shit. Extra chanters as disposable pullers
This is the only correct answer. All this other shit people are talking about just straight up gets overshadowed by an extra charm pet and additional CC for adds/pet breaks. If the enchanters are competent the cleric won't go oom and you'll kill fast enough that the biggest problem will be not running out of mobs to pull. All these people saying shaman or mage and shit are just biased to the class they like/play.

Charm is and always has been the most OP shit in the game by a large margin. Nothing else comes close.
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:52 PM
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This is the only correct answer. All this other shit people are talking about just straight up gets overshadowed by an extra charm pet and additional CC for adds/pet breaks. If the enchanters are competent the cleric won't go oom and you'll kill fast enough that the biggest problem will be not running out of mobs to pull.

Charm is and always has been the most OP shit in the game
Practical experience is better than theoretical. I don't see 4x Enchanter groups anywhere hehe, or 5x Enchanter groups, or 6x Enchanter groups. You can't even play the game to test it since you are banned[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:54 PM
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enchanters are OP so just stack 4 enchanter or balance all of EQ, simple
I was really more speaking about the legacy of the game, not making a custom server.
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:55 PM
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Practical experience is better than theoretical. I don't see 4x Enchanter groups anywhere hehe, or 5x Enchanter groups, or 6x Enchanter groups. You can't even play the game to test it since you are banned[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
I have other accounts but that's not really relevant. I mained a fully decked 60 shaman with all the bells and whistles. I know what they're capable of. 3 encs and a cleric will outshine any example of a 4 man group with a shaman in it that you can come up with 10/10 times if the enchanters aren't bad. It's not even a contest my friend. Your bias is showing HEAVILY.
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Old 08-19-2022, 04:57 PM
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I have other accounts but that's not really relevant. I mained a fully decked 60 shaman with all the bells and whistles. I know what they're capable of. 3 encs and a cleric will outshine any example of a 4 man group with a shaman in it that you can come up with 10/10 times if the enchanters aren't bad. It's not even a contest my friend. Your bias is showing HEAVILY.
It's not bias. Me having a 60 Shaman allows me to experience the endgame and report back those results. I know very well what a Shaman is capable of, which is why Fungi King camps don't run 3x Enchanters, for example[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Usually you would run something like Monk/Enchanter/Shaman.

The reality is if you are in a place where you can field 4x Enchanters easily, the content is probably easy anyway.
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Practical experience is better than theoretical. I don't see 4x Enchanter groups anywhere hehe, or 5x Enchanter groups, or 6x Enchanter groups. You can't even play the game to test it since you are banned[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
yikes, my hypothetical scientific simulation based on OP's query isnt 100% probable so i have to dismiss this with my superior intellect...

or...

OP asked what is the best 4 man comp of all time, and you deflect the enchanter OP argument with strawman accusations HEHE [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(note how i said HEHE [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] so its funny for all parties involved)
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Old 08-19-2022, 05:01 PM
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You know, the problem is with how they mitigated enemy HP and DPS.

Like enemies have too much HP and do too much DPS, while players have too little HP and do too little DPS.

Enemies should have less HP and them and we should do less DPS and then when you charmed things it'd be less OP

Thats what I reckon.
so you agree 4 enchanter is OP? this is the point i tried to make but im bad with words
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Old 08-19-2022, 05:02 PM
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It's not bias. Me having a 60 Shaman allows me to experience the endgame and report back those results. I know very well what a Shaman is capable of, which is why Fungi King camps don't run 3x Enchanters, for example[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Usually you would run something like Monk/Enchanter/Shaman.

The reality is if you are in a place where you can field 4x Enchanters easily, the content is probably easy anyway.
The OP is asking what the best 4 person caster group is. The reason you don't see 3x enc groups at x y or z camp is cause as you said it's not easy to field 3-4 encs for a single group. You're arguing a totally different point. 3 encs and a clr could EASILY do fungi camp and do it better than whatever group your shaman is in. I legit laughed when you tried to say how good your dps was from your epic click rofl. Epic is great for soloing. If the mobs are living long enough for the dps from your long ass cast time epic click is relevant you're already in a group WAY less powerful than one with 3 charm pets.
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Old 08-19-2022, 05:05 PM
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imagine saying any class is better than stacking more enchanters
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