Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troll/Iksar Regeneration gives you 4800 HP per hour over Barbarians/Ogres at level 60, assuming you are never at 100% HP. That's all it is doing.

4800 HP per hour is the equivalent of 3-4 Torpors per hour, depending on if your Torpor ticks 4 times or 5. This is 540-720 Mana per hour with Alteration Specialization.

If you want to compare Troll/Iksar Regeneration to a mana buff, it is basically the equivalent of Flowing Thought I on a Torpor Shaman. Realistically it is less than that, because a Torpor Shaman played efficiently is going to be at 100% HP and Mana when they are out of combat. I assume you want to play your character efficiently if you are worried about which racial is best.

All HP/Mana Regeneration is helpful. Nobody is denying that. FSI is simply more helpful, because surviving the pre-slow phase of a hard fight is more beneficial than saving 1.5-2 minutes (realistically less) on recovery per hour. Unfortunately Troll/Iksar Regeneration is too slow to typically be useful in terms of surviving a tough fight. It gives you a non-zero percent increase in survivability, but so does FSI, and that non-zero percent is higher. That's why FSI is better on Shamans with Torpor. It's really that simple.

fact is most players will benefit from regen...not everyone is a torpor solo artist

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fact is most players will benefit from regen...not everyone is a torpor solo artist

Agreed. I said as much in my guide, and earlier in this thread (multiple times). If you think you'll never reach level 60 or get Torpor, Troll/Iksar Regeneration is better than FSI.

But I caution against assuming you will never reach level 60, because P99 is a long game. When you play a character for years, your ideas on what your character will do may change.

Picking the Min/Max option on character creation (assuming you will reach level 60 with Torpor, Epic, Raid Gear, etc.) is the safest bet for anybody who isn't sure what their character will look like in a year or two.

Anybody who is confident enough in their character creation already is not making threads here about it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously you do not think Troll/Iksar Regeneration is required to have a good time while leveling. You have a Barbarian Shaman yourself. As an Ogre Shaman myself I agree. You can level a Barbarian/Ogre Shaman just fine, and have fun doing so.

[Toxigen]

i just wanted to be a polar bear

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i just wanted to be a polar bear

They do look good! If you prefer fashion over function, then you already know what race you are going to play. It's whichever race looks the best in your opinion.

You aren't the type of player who would ask what is the Min/Max setup for Shamans. There is nothing wrong with that.

Some players prefer to Min/Max, and may not care as much about fashion. Let's give those players the correct information, so they can decide which race is best for them.

[Snaggles]

Toxigen will have to clarify what he said but I didnt assume he meant only pre-60 since he didn’t say that.

Yea innate regen is only 8hp/tick. Most “serious shamans” once they get torp drop the Fungi tunic and stop casting regrowth. So as mentioned, it’s about FT15-18. Without canni if not always full health it’s 22,800hps an hour, or roughly 40% of that in mana. If you still cast regrowth and have a fungi then it’s quite a bit less.

IMHO for most stuff, a fungi tunic and staff would be ideal kit pieces for any shaman. Torp or not. Innate regen is something. Especially if sitting down for quick afks on occasion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toxigen will have to clarify what he said but I didnt assume he meant only pre-60 since he didn’t say that.

Yea innate regen is only 8hp/tick. Most “serious shamans” once they get torp drop the Fungi tunic and stop casting regrowth. So as mentioned, it’s about FT15-18. Without canni if not always full health it’s 22,800hps an hour, or roughly 40% of that in mana. If you still cast regrowth and have a fungi then it’s quite a bit less.

IMHO for most stuff, a fungi tunic and staff would be ideal kit pieces for any shaman. Torp or not. Innate regen is something. Especially if sitting down for quick afks on occasion.

I agree with you that Fungi Staff is still nice on a Torpor Shaman. I have one bagged myself. Fungi Tunic isn't as great because Vindi BP is generally better on a Torpor Shaman. Vindi BP is better at reducing damage spikes. Fungi Staff is a clickie, so you can wear your weapons and use Fungi Staff simultaneously. Unfortunately you cannot wear Fungi Tunic and Vindi BP at the same time. You have to pick one.

I am not sure why you keep mentioning Fungi Tunic and Fungi Staff. They aren't relevant to the racial discussion because all Shaman races can use both. I already outlined how much benefit you get from Iksar/Troll Regeneration specifically on a Torpor Shaman. Iksar/Troll Regeneration is basically the equivalent of FT1 on a Torpor Shaman if you want to compare it to Flowing Thought.

Your Flowing Thought calculations are off for a Torpor Shaman specially. Your FT15-18 idea comes from a Pre-Torpor Shaman who is never at 100% HP.

Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff is +30 HP Regeneration. That is 30 x 10 x 60 = 18000 HP per hour, assuming you are never at 100%. 18000 HP / 1200 HP (Torpor) = 15 casts of Torpor per hour to get the same amount of HP. If you get 1500 HP Torpors, that is 12 casts of Torpor per hour.

12-15 casts of Torpor with Alteration Specialization = 2160-2700 Mana spent per hour on a Torpor Shaman. 2160 / 600 (Mana gained per hour from FT1) = 3.6, and 2700 / 600 (Mana gained per hour from FT1) = 4.5. Fungi Staff is also FT2 in terms of saving the mana you need to cast on Regrowth. That means Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff is somewhere between FT5.6 and FT6.5 on a Torpor Shaman, depending on your Torpor Ticks. Realistically it is lower since a Torpor Shaman is at 100% HP and Mana out of combat. Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff is probably more like FT4 on average for a Torpor Shaman.

[fortior]

None of that is based on real world evidence though, which still proves that Barbarians are the best shaman race, followed by trolls, with everyone else in a shared third place, following the Solo Artist Challenge Hall of Fame (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Ar...e_Hall_of_Fame). Everything else is just theory.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that is based on real world evidence though, which still proves that Barbarians are the best shaman race, followed by trolls, with everyone else in a shared third place, following the Solo Artist Challenge Hall of Fame (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Ar...e_Hall_of_Fame). Everything else is just theory.

Player skill is not comparable to which racial is best. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Racial bonuses have no relation to player skill.

And yes, real world math/data/evidence is what I am using. You can double check everything I said yourself by playing a Torpor Shaman.

I am at least a Solo Grandmaster according to the solo challenge wiki. I even have video proof of me killing Tranix, Ionat (Solo God Mode) and a Cliff Golem to back it up.

Under your own logic Ogre cannot be in third place. They are at least tied for second with Trolls. But you know there is nothing innate about a Barbarian that makes them better at solo challenges than other races. It is just the skill of the player who is using the Shaman.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that is based on real world evidence though, which still proves that Barbarians are the best shaman race, followed by trolls, with everyone else in a shared third place, following the Solo Artist Challenge Hall of Fame (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Ar...e_Hall_of_Fame). Everything else is just theory.

And not a single FSI shaman on the list, it's almost as if racial bonuses don't matter and it's all about the player. Ty for the link

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's almost as if racial bonuses don't matter and it's all about the player. Ty for the link

Nobody said otherwise. That isn't relevant to the discussion of which racial bonus is best.

It is factually true that specific Shaman racial bonuses are not required to do content.

It is also factually true that FSI is the best racial bonus for Torpor Shamans.

I am not sure why you think these two facts are in conflict at all.