Is Shaman the BEST all-around class in the game?

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue is best new to server class.

Lets play devil’s advocate.

Rogues are reknowned poor soloers and barring heavy twinking and gear not available in Classic they are relegated to grouping. Whilst outdoor ZEM made people move away from grouping there were still more groups to be found in Classic than today.

Rogues don’t need any expensive gear until Kunark outside of maybe fbss. No spells either. Sure, an enchanter can farm big plat items but needs to sell then just to afford their spells and gear. Camping items and fighting for camps is overrated! And if you want to you could always pickpocker and kill low level mobs for plat.

In Classic it’s easy to get around everywhere. With Kunark and Velious it starts to suck hard not having gate. If you die in Guk and no res/port? Just run and sneak/hide back.

Guise? Manastone? Who needs them? Remember, camping items is overrated.

[zelld52]

Yes shaman is the best class in the game. Because they don't die.

Have levelled to 60 and done "solo challenges" with:

Shaman (3)
Enchanter (1)
Monk (2)
Necro (1)
Druid (1)

At 60, the Enchanter is far-and-away more capable of soloing than shaman. HOWEVER, there are certain situations that I much rather use shaman on than enchanter. Bascially any time I think because of mob level that charm might not hold, or Paci might crit resist, or if theres just one mob I want to kill, solo in a room.

Shaman just don't die, especially at 60 (unless you get really bad luck) I much rather solo Brogg in Sebilis on my shaman using root / camp to split - than trying to paci and keep a charm going on a pet, for it to break - Brogg to summon and enchanter dead.

Torpor is broken. Turgurs on top of Torpor is extra broken. With shit gear at level 60 and only Torpor (no Pox, no Bane, no Malo) i was able to solo Seb Crypt rooms on Shaman and got a Hiero cloak.

On Enchanter, it's soloable too - but not 100% surefire easy-clap like shaman

[Crede]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes shaman is the best class in the game. Because they don't die.

Have levelled to 60 and done "solo challenges" with:

Shaman (3)
Enchanter (1)
Monk (2)
Necro (1)
Druid (1)

At 60, the Enchanter is far-and-away more capable of soloing than shaman. HOWEVER, there are certain situations that I much rather use shaman on than enchanter. Bascially any time I think because of mob level that charm might not hold, or Paci might crit resist, or if theres just one mob I want to kill, solo in a room.

Shaman just don't die, especially at 60 (unless you get really bad luck) I much rather solo Brogg in Sebilis on my shaman using root / camp to split - than trying to paci and keep a charm going on a pet, for it to break - Brogg to summon and enchanter dead.

Torpor is broken. Turgurs on top of Torpor is extra broken. With shit gear at level 60 and only Torpor (no Pox, no Bane, no Malo) i was able to solo Seb Crypt rooms on Shaman and got a Hiero cloak.

On Enchanter, it's soloable too - but not 100% surefire easy-clap like shaman

Heh, you're doing Brogg wrong then if you think it's not trivial on an enchanter. They can run circles around shamans with that camp in tunnel gear.

I think the overall best class in the game in Velious is easily a monk with their broken mitigation & roguelike dps. They scale extremely well in every composition whereas other classes usually fall short in one area of play. As someone else mentioned though strings cleric is probably the ultimate soloer.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heh, you're doing Brogg wrong then if you think it's not trivial on an enchanter. They can run circles around shamans with that camp in tunnel gear.

I think the overall best class in the game in Velious is easily a monk with their broken mitigation & roguelike dps. They scale extremely well in every composition whereas other classes usually fall short in one area of play. As someone else mentioned though strings cleric is probably the ultimate soloer.

that and the enchanter is down there with the PH dead before the shaman even enters disco lol

enchanter as it exists on p99 is miles ahead as the best class

however, id still rather have a full BiS monk just for the flex

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

enchanter as it exists on p99 is miles ahead as the best class

however, id still rather have a full BiS monk just for the flex

P1999 Enchanters are not only far and away the best class and completely OP, they are arguably the most busted/OP class in the history of MMORPGs. It's honestly laughable and absurd what they can do solo compared to every other class. If the original devs could see what Enchanters are like on P1999 they would have justifiably freaked out and literally removed charm from the game entirely.

Enchanters would be much more balanced if their charm was limited exclusively to sentient/humanoid mobs (i.e. Sarnaks, Frogloks, Drolvargs, giants, all playable races, etc...). Basically anything with an intelligent "mind" that could be controlled. No animals, undead, goos, golems, etc... Then take Clarity and give it to Wizards. And the funny thing is, even after these major nerfs Enchanters would still be the best and most OP class in the game. That tells you how absolutely busted they are in their current state.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the original devs could see what Enchanters are like on P1999 they would have justifiably freaked out and literally removed charm from the game entirely.

No, they wouldn't have: the brokenly powerful Enchanter is a uniquely P99 phenomena, so it'd be silly of them to nerf charm just because one fan of that class built an emulator with unclassicaly powerful charm 20+ years later [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P1999 Enchanters are not only far and away the best class and completely OP, they are arguably the most busted/OP class in the history of MMORPGs. It's honestly laughable and absurd what they can do solo compared to every other class. If the original devs could see what Enchanters are like on P1999 they would have justifiably freaked out and literally removed charm from the game entirely.

Enchanters would be much more balanced if their charm was limited exclusively to sentient/humanoid mobs (i.e. Sarnaks, Frogloks, Drolvargs, giants, all playable races, etc...). Basically anything with an intelligent "mind" that could be controlled. No animals, undead, goos, golems, etc... Then take Clarity and give it to Wizards. And the funny thing is, even after these major nerfs Enchanters would still be the best and most OP class in the game. That tells you how absolutely busted they are in their current state.

If calm and channeling ever get nerfed enchanters will be back to normal. I think monks are much more broken. Not sure why a peaceful minded class concept can put out ridiculous damage.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heh, you're doing Brogg wrong then if you think it's not trivial on an enchanter. They can run circles around shamans with that camp in tunnel gear.

I think the overall best class in the game in Velious is easily a monk with their broken mitigation & roguelike dps. They scale extremely well in every composition whereas other classes usually fall short in one area of play. As someone else mentioned though strings cleric is probably the ultimate soloer.

maybe i am. idk, ive been very risk-averse on my enchanter recently because im rusty.

but yes monk is most fun for sure. dual wield maxed by level 35 ++ they are the only melee that get melee skills above 200 before level 50

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe i am. idk, ive been very risk-averse on my enchanter recently because im rusty.

In these kinds of threads there are always comments emphasizing that enchanters can solo nice targets without being geared, and it's true*, but imo playing a geared enchanter is pretty noticeable, and one of the nice things about it is it pushes back that risk and allows more things to feel comfortable.

*Dictate is big for a few nice camps, though, and it looks like it's almost half as expensive as Torpor on green now.

[shovelquest]

If I can kill a named with dictate, I can kill any name in the game with more frequent charm breaks.

It would change nothing.

Nobody is sitting around thinking, "boy this pet lasts forever" nor is a pet frequently breaking an issue in any enchanter situation (because it happens all the time)

If I will not stand up and go to the bathroom now, with a charmed pet, what makes you think that making them break more frequently would make me less powerful as an echanter?

Short of making charm last 15 seconds with a 30 second recast time, you ain't gonna change nuthin with no charm duration changes.