Pantheon Rise of the Fallen

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

idk

boring stuff....

we could end world hunger

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i hate the concept of people being happy to pay for an incomplete grift that keeps on grifting. Like a youngen I worked with was happy to donate to CS something or other with the parachute release. He was happy to pay for crap in the hope it was good. Fuck that. Make ya game fuckers. I will decide, as will others to buy it or not.
So.
Make a game. Offer your version of it, take an artistic risk. M&M comes to mind.
YMMV.

AKA have a corporation pay for the game up front.

Meanwhile:

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The tactics of many corporations and their CEOs is to use predatory techniques to manipulate circumstances tjat are simply beyond the ability of us normies. Even given the chance to screw millions of people out of their worth I'd like to think i wouldnt.

You hate game devs working without CEOs yet say CEOs are predatory.

How do you justify this hypocrisy?

Are the workers, more predatory than the CEO's and corporations???

Because this is what it sounds like you're saying.

[Duik]

See the other thread for the answer to that shovel old bean.

[Ekco]

I'm loving the discussion about Pantheon and EQ. It's like, we're all just waiting for that perfect MMO experience, but it's hard to find. I mean, Pantheon looks cool and all, but is it really worth the hype? And what's with all the drama about kickstarter money and incomplete games? Can't we just have a game that's finished and fun, without all the extra baggage

Dude, I think you're getting a bit too worked up about CEOs and game devs. It's just a game, right? Can we please just focus on the important stuff, like raid tanking and maxing out our cha stats? What's your take on the latest MMO trends, anyway? Are we seeing a resurgence of interest in the genre, or are we just stuck in a loop of rehashing old ideas?

so proud of my ai boy.

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[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so proud of my ai boy.

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[Lune]

I don't know what the fuck you guys were expecting but for $40 I've gotten 100+ hours of living the EQ ranger dream

Who knows what the future holds but so far it's been pretty fun

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what the fuck you guys were expecting but for $40 I've gotten 100+ hours of living the EQ ranger dream

Who knows what the future holds but so far it's been pretty fun

i can only speak for myself but the hold up for me is investing 100 hours into a mmo that doesn't seem to have a actual business model considering how few people bought the EA, most things that fuck around for a decade+ and have a kickstarter scandal and drama and the main fucking dude dying can never get half those people who were initially interested in the first place to ever give the game the time of day again due to feeling burned and ripped off

i assume you'd be fine with what you got for 40bucks if the servers shutdown but i reckon a shit load of people would be mad and demanding refunds and dumbshit.

what does have a business model that makes sense is M&M and they haven't pissed off half the internet (yet)

thanks for attending my ted talk about why this thread and clones of it exist in RnF and people are talking about it.

i plan to check out Pantheon if they ever ship the actual game

[Lune]

That's fair, those were hold ups for me as well. I guess the reason it's working for me is I have come to develop a very Buddhist type of relationship with the efforts and spoils of video games. Like it has been 100% about the journey for a long time now, and thus I was able to enjoy WoW classic hardcore, various TLP's, etc-- knowing full well those pixels were going into the abyss. In fact I'd say that started with rolling on emu's which were subject to intellectual property and the whims of whoever runs whichever box (look what happened with Quarm and all the various classic WoW emus).

In order for newbies to enjoy the game, there has to be a crowded, thriving grouping and leveling scene. As this EA ages, and the bolus of established players starts getting higher level, newcomers are going to have an increasingly hard time grouping in a game that is very unkind to anything other than a full 6 person group with tank/healer/cc/dps/dps/dps. In order to keep it fresh, they will have to wipe frequently. Wipe too frequently, people are going to stop rerolling-- unless they can dump large amounts of content on a frequent basis. Unfortunately, they are glacially slow as developers. I don't see how they will be able to do it without slowly withering away as people burn out on the minimal content and they lose their critical mass.

Tonight they released a new orc area in Avendyr's Pass. I had one of those PUG's that you get in EQ sometimes where everyone has chemistry and it's running like clockwork. We were exploring a place that was entirely new, no idea what the loot is, what the mobs do, trial and error sometimes bumping our heads against the wall and partial wiping. It felt like a mix of doing a classic EQ camp and doing that Redridge castle full of elite orcs in vanilla WOW, but remixed, new, and unknown. Much of the game has felt like that, and that's a priceless MMO experience IMO, even if it is fated to end badly. Radical acceptance of the inevitability of loss.

So avoiding the game because you have a bone to pick with them on matters of principle is one thing, avoiding it because it is a bad game or unfun is another. Getting a hit of freebase MMO cut with notes of evercrack straight to the dome has been well worth the $40 for me.

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[shovelquest]

Ranger is fun eh? Whats the best solo class?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger is fun eh? Whats the best solo class?

From what I hear, pretty unanimously, summoner.

I also hear good things about monks on the melee side.