I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[Zuranthium]

Nobody can get banned for the hardware they are using, LOL. How would p99 even go about trying to stop people from using gaming mouses and eyetracking software? They could force higher ping and longer zoning times if they wanted, removing the advantage people have from modern internet and computers compared to what existed in 1999, but I don't see any legal way they can stop someone from using better mouses and mouse-alternative devices.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody can get banned for the hardware they are using, LOL. How would p99 even go about trying to stop people from using gaming mouses and eyetracking software? They could force higher ping and longer zoning times if they wanted, removing the advantage people have from modern internet and computers compared to what existed in 1999, but I don't see any legal way they can stop someone from using better mouses and mouse-alternative devices.

GMs can always teleport to you, watch how you are playing, and decide if you are playing by the rules or not.

By all means, please get a Palladius Axe and start doing your offhand weaving with scripts and hardware. You'll parse higher than other Warriors, and the GMs may wonder why.

I won't be taking those risks on an account I've put a ton of time into. Raid targets will still die without the +14 DPS from a few Rangers and Warriors.

Most players on P99 won't follow your lead. It's not worth it. If you could do this strategy without scripts and/or hardware, people would be doing it already. Monks on P99 (including myself) fistweave because you don't need scripts and/or hardware to do it.

[kjs86z2]

imagine taking 1999 elf sim this far

[kjs86z2]

i think this guy just likes making it known that he knows how to theoretically do the best dps but has never actually played that way

aint nobody doin that shit, not ever

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think this guy just likes making it known that he knows how to theoretically do the best dps but has never actually played that way

aint nobody doin that shit, not ever

I’d deffo do it if it was feasible - on quarm i’d juggle my pgt between primary and secondary for extra berserker proc chances because it meaningfully boosted my character.

You simply can’t do stuff like that on p99 as the client doesn’t play nice.

[Jimjam]

Sorry for lack of clarity, I meant the player riposting against an npc - it is about 1/20 chance, which isn't bad - especially as an npc is likely do multiple swings per round.

What I'm trying to say is the player riposting with a 2 hander isn't insignificant damage, and I wonder how much more damage off-hand swapping + bare fist riposte does vs riposting with a 2 hander (cos off hand swapping would likely produce mainly fist ripostes).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry for lack of clarity, I meant the player riposting against an npc - it is about 1/20 chance, which isn't bad - especially as an npc is likely do multiple swings per round.

What I'm trying to say is the player riposting with a 2 hander isn't insignificant damage, and I wonder how much more damage off-hand swapping + bare fist riposte does vs riposting with a 2 hander (cos off hand swapping would likely produce mainly fist ripostes).

Oh I see. Riposte damage probably isn't very high. My calculator doesn't do player ripostes, only NPC ripostes. However, we can do a quick thought experiment:

Let's say our player is using a 46/44 weapon. That means their Weapon Damage * 2 + Damage Bonus = 129 damage at level 60.

Mobs generally hit every 2 seconds unslowed, so you'll get swung at 30 times per minute. 5% of 30 is 1.5. When factoring in the chance to miss the riposte, we can say you'll get 1 riposte hit per minute with a 5% chance to riposte.

This means on average you are probably getting something like 2-4 DPS from Riposte from your ToV 2H weapon. In theory the offhand swapping would still do more damage if you lose this Riposte DPS, assuming you didn't miss a significant amount of your 2h swings while swapping back and forth.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the one who can't comprehend the rules. It says you're not allowed to use programs that alter the EQ client and you're not allowed to use programs that create multiple inputs with a single keystroke. There are no "multiple inputs" happening by having a more precise mouse. Just as there are not multiple inputs happening by having a gaming mouse with extra keys, which allows you to click more buttons than you otherwise would be able to. Something tons of people use. It's allowed, as is having an eye-tracker instead of a hand mouse.

It is is you who didn't read the rules correctly. "Not limited to" means other kinds of hardware that does special stuff is prohibited, not just programmable mice and keyboards that do multiple inputs. That was just the hardware example they gave. Same with the software. You say "not limited to" so you don't have to list every possible hardware/software that is prohibited.

They explicitly state what the only exceptions are. You are allowed a standard keyboard/mouse, wineq2, and log reading programs.

Anything else is risking a ban. Nobody here is going to risk a ban for a few DPS. You are the only poster I know who is trying to interpret these rules differently.

[Zuranthium]

God you are so demented. GAMING MOUSES ARE ALLOWED. Tons of people use them, this isn't an argument whatsoever. There is absolutely no punishment for having a better computer or personal devices, LMAO. Nowhere does it say you are only allowed a "standard" keyboard and mouse (what is even the definition of "standard"?). You are just fabricating that. How would they even be able to police people from using mouses with extra buttons or eye-tracking mouse devices? They can't and don't.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody here is going to risk a ban for a few DPS.

Clueless. While I obviously don't advocate using ShowEQ and such, lots of people have used those things regardless of the risk, with many going unnoticed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God you are so demented. GAMING MOUSES ARE ALLOWED. Tons of people use them, this isn't an argument whatsoever.

I never said "gaming mice are not allowed". You can check the thread. What you are doing using the term "gaming mice" in a very broad sense to obfuscate the functionality of the mouse you are using. Not all gaming mice have special functionalities. I have a gaming mouse with a few extra buttons, none of which do anything special.

Mice with special functionalities like programmable inputs, multiple inputs, clicking on different parts of the screen other than where your cursor actually is, etc. are not allowed. The rules say so. You are just trying to laywerquest with me, which is irrelevant. The GM will just ban you, they won't care about your lawyerquesting.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clueless. While I obviously don't advocate using ShowEQ and such, lots of people have used those things regardless of the risk, with many going unnoticed.

You are correct, people have cheated and gotten away with it. That is also risking a ban, which is my point. Plenty of people have been banned too.

Most people who play on P99 follow the rules. The ones who don't have mostly been banned already. You aren't going to convince anybody to use scripts and hardware that are against the rules, which is what you are doing. Lawyerquesting with me doesn't change what the rules actually are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want.

There is no real point in continuing this back and forth. You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

That "something", whether it be a script or a piece of hardware, is against the rules. People are not going to use that "something" on P99 and risk a ban for a few DPS.