A Statistical analysis of Charm Duration

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think golem MR matters since it was the same for all tests? If anything, with no tash and high MR it helps mitigate the possibility that charisma is hidden behind already squelshed resists. You'd just have to keep in mind you'll get lesser returns on mobs with low MR if tash already nullified all potential resists.

It is known mob level and MR has an effect on charm duration, here I think the level difference really shows and makes some "room" for charisma to do something. I hypothesized you might see no return on charisma on very low level mobs since the level difference is so big it nullifies any possible resists anyway. On a higher mob with resists that aren't buried under tash/level difference charisma could help. It seems to follow the logic of AC mechanics too so it wouldn't be a wild idea.

Yes and no. Based on the EQEMU code, there is a minimum resist chance. This means the MR and level difference of the mob can't be so low that you hit the minimum resist chance. In that case you are correct that the effect of CHA would be hidden, because you would be at the minimum resist chance already.

However, if MR is too high, you may not notice CHA's effect either.

In my streak calculator:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...4&postcount=38

You can see that once you get to a certain resistance chance, the average duration of a charm doesn't change much. For example, you'll only get an average difference of 2-3 ticks per charm when going from a resist chance of 70 to a resist chance of 90 when rolling against a d200. If the CHA scaling is correct, you only get -18 to the resistance chance at 255 CHA.

My streak calculator is doing millions of dice rolls, so it can be hard to see an average 2-3 tick difference on a smaller set of data.

[Goregasmic]

Ah ok, we don't disagree.

I have the feeling if you'd have 115 cha @60, mobs around lvl45 would start making charm quality decline. With maxed cha you could probably keep that charm quality maxed on mobs until level 49 or so then it declines drastically (with tash always applied).

I'd be curious to know what's the average MR on a 50+ mob and is MR its own thing or the level gap also chips into the +resist pool of the mob. Would something like malo and/or -resist gear prop charm up to make an ilis froglok (53) close to a level 49 mob in charm quality or if its MR is already bottomed out level gap alone will keep charm quality declining? That's probably the biggest implication at this point if you intended on keeping cha maxed anyway.

[Goregasmic]

Not sure how accurate that is but according to this eqemu npc scaling chart lvl52 named has 32 MR. Outside of mobs with abnormally high MR it would seem you could bottom out resists with tash on almost anything you can boltran. We don't know if the NPC resist floor is 0 or if going under 0 provides additional benefits to charm.


https://docs.eqemu.io/server/npc/npc-scaling/

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how accurate that is but according to this eqemu npc scaling chart lvl52 named has 32 MR. Outside of mobs with abnormally high MR it would seem you could bottom out resists with tash on almost anything you can boltran. We don't know if the NPC resist floor is 0 or if going under 0 provides additional benefits to charm.


https://docs.eqemu.io/server/npc/npc-scaling/

Nice find on the doc. The floor is usually above zero because the random function generates a number between 0 and 1, like 0.33. That gets multiplied by the total number of dice faces. So 0.33 * 200 = 66.

[commongood]

Thanks a bunch to the OP for all the hard work and to the rest of you data-heads for all the great input.

Just a curiousity: why are we using Boltran's to charm a lvl 50 mob? Why not use Allure and save mana?

Also, Boltran's entrance on the wiki states much shorter maximum duration (~7 mins vs, for instance Cajoling Whispers and Allure both of whom are ~20 mins max duration).
I don't know how these maximum durations have been established and it could well be that Boltran's is exclusively used on lvl 51+ mobs why are always much closer to the caster's own level and thus will generally not last as long. But it could be that Boltran's works differently from the previous spells in that line.

[kjs86z2]

cast time

can recharm on a stun without having to mez

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cast time

can recharm on a stun without having to mez

You can do it too with allure and a gcd reset on a 8sec stun if you're quick enough.

[spoil]

Allure is a 6-second cast time so it's not that tight, unless you don't have keybinds and you're clicking your spells or something. But Boltrans can also be useful when fighting a mob that's immune to stun, less opportunity for your recharm to get interrupted.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cast time

can recharm on a stun without having to mez

I didn't mean in general, I meant specifically for this experiment. I understand using Boltran's in live scenarios with high level mobs where the reduced cast time matters. But for testing it seems the extra mana cost is a meaningful burden.