Bring back the Dark Men of Odus

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you please explain to me what is "dark" about them if not the color of their skin? Because it sure doesn't have anything to do with the kind of magic they use as the guild wasn't exclusive to paineel factioned erudites. Even if that's somehow not the intent of the name, it flattens the identity into something merely visual and racialized.

When someone says "dark men", even if literally describing skin tone, the cultural baggage makes it sound like you're conflating race and morality, even if that wasn’t your intent.

There are so many other words you could pick that couldn't be construed as racist.
Why not <High Men of Odus>? <High Council of Erudin>, <Disciples of Erud>, literally anything else.

It just seems like an insensitive thing to name an Erudite-only guild.

Let's break this down from multiple viewpoints, as I believe your argument is intrinsically flawed from multiple facets.

1) Dark doesn't need to be defined. It can be left mysterious, just like how certain texts rely on interpretation of the reader, part of that interpretation adds to the mystery and the fun of it.

However --

2) Let's hypothetically grant your point and say Dark is linked to skin color, and that is what it refers to (this is hypothetical, I will reiterate, this is not what I am claiming).

My question is, what is your point if it is?

That's not racist, that's a descriptor. It's not assigning character qualities neither positive or negative, it's a physical descriptor speaking to a demographic. There is nothing inheriently racist about this.

It's the same thing as asking about a person's race on a population census. There is neither positive nor negative qualities about this, merely used as a tool in human languages as a descriptor.

The problem is that it is YOU that are assigning some kind of nefarious meaning to a certain type of physical description. Your personal (and illogical) inference betrays exactly what you think about certain types of people, and that simply by mentioning a physical descriptor that it carries a negative connotation.

The only logical justification to explain your interpretation is that you have some kind of inherent bias and racism you are applying to the term, and that you are projecting that interpretation on others.

You're actually the problem here, assuming that's what you meant.

I'll be charitable and assume you don't actually mean that however, do you?

These sub 100 Int Antonicans man. Gotta spell out literally everything for them.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These sub 100 Int Antonicans man. Gotta spell out literally everything for them.

What's this? Ableism?!

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Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's break this down from multiple viewpoints, as I believe your argument is intrinsically flawed from multiple facets.

1) Dark doesn't need to be defined. It can be left mysterious, just like how certain texts rely on interpretation of the reader, part of that interpretation adds to the mystery and the fun of it.

However --

2) Let's hypothetically grant your point and say Dark is linked to skin color, and that is what it refers to (this is hypothetical, I will reiterate, this is not what I am claiming).

My question is, what is your point if it is?

That's not racist, that's a descriptor. It's not assigning character qualities neither positive or negative, it's a physical descriptor speaking to a demographic. There is nothing inheriently racist about this.

It's the same thing as asking about a person's race on a population census. There is neither positive nor negative qualities about this, merely used as a tool in human languages as a descriptor.

The problem is that it is YOU that are assigning some kind of nefarious meaning to a certain type of physical description. Your personal (and illogical) inference betrays exactly what you think about certain types of people, and that simply by mentioning a physical descriptor that it carries a negative connotation.

The only logical justification to explain your interpretation is that you have some kind of inherent bias and racism you are applying to the term, and that you are projecting that interpretation on others.

You're actually the problem here, assuming that's what you meant.

I'll be charitable and assume you don't actually mean that however, do you?

These sub 100 Int Antonicans man. Gotta spell out literally everything for them.

I am not assigning negative meaning to anything, this sounds like gaslighting to me. The point is that the name, given the context of it being an Erudite-only guild, is ambiguous.
Just don't put a real life racial descriptor in your Erudite RP guild name, just seems kind of weird. If it can be taken the wrong way, give it a different name.
But in my opinion we need an Ogre RP guild, critical thinking is overrated when you can just ransack villages for fun.

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Funny how the blandest guilds survive, isnt it?

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A lot of people in this thread aren't farming all that loot it seems.

[cd288]

The problem with the racism argument is that at no point in any channel, whether in-game, on the forums, or in Discord did any member of DMO ever make any racist statements. Nor were they ever banned or disciplined for racism. If they hadn't intentionally deleted the UN channel then they'd likely still be around.

[Reiwa]

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The problem with the racism argument is that at no point in any channel, whether in-game, on the forums, or in Discord did any member of DMO ever make any racist statements. Nor were they ever banned or disciplined for racism. If they hadn't intentionally deleted the UN channel then they'd likely still be around.

They said plenty of racial supremacist stuff about Antonicans?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with the racism argument is that at no point in any channel, whether in-game, on the forums, or in Discord did any member of DMO ever make any racist statements. Nor were they ever banned or disciplined for racism. If they hadn't intentionally deleted the UN channel then they'd likely still be around.

You have access to everything every DMO member has ever said?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have access to everything every DMO member has ever said?

There was never a single report made about racist statements made in game chat. And the forums and Discord you can go check yourself. Go do it. I'll wait.

If there had been racist statements made, then they would've been banned for it. They weren't.

At any rate, you made some post about free speech in Off Topic and now you're against free speech at the same time? Interesting.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with the racism argument is that at no point in any channel, whether in-game, on the forums, or in Discord did any member of DMO ever make any racist statements. Nor were they ever banned or disciplined for racism. If they hadn't intentionally deleted the UN channel then they'd likely still be around.

Free speech debates aside, it is somewhat difficult to ascertain even what all was said by Nirgon on the forums because they would post many times over per day, before being banned. That said, the accusation of racism came from staff, who do have access to guild chat and, of course, petitions.

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The guild Dark Men of Odus has been disbanded.

The leadership continues to cause issues among players in game, on the forums & within the Green UN channel. They have a long history of trolling, inciting arguments and racism. Each individual action has been handled accordingly but this is a pattern of behavior can no longer be ignored.

Something else I took notice of, while giving his post history a once-over...

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The theological explanation for people like Horza is the devil has corrupted them. I dunno about all that but there's definitely something wrong with people like him that want to turn the whole world into a Chicago warzone.

I'd love to hear what some truth serum would get out of him lol.

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His brain is more unrecoverable than Detroit.

Again, cultural issues that refused to be addressed. Has nothing to do with skin color even if he's been programmed to blast that constantly whenever problems are pointed out.

I refer back again to the KGB YouTube.

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If they're so good for us why are the countries they are coming from shit by comparison

For those not up one their EQ lore, particularly the shit hole that is ROOP, a quick recap...
(It's actually one of the best zones, ZEM aside. But that's besides the point.)




Of course, observations like these play into the whole schtick. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Point out x, y, z and those who display the whole alphabet will then say "a-ha, gotcha!" for spelling it out. The allusion exists to draw in the accusation which can then be turned on the accuser. It'd almost be comedic if it wasn't so childish, in a game being played by adults. "What, me? No sir, I'm not racist. That thought never even crossed my mind until you pointed it out, which can only mean that you are racist!" It's a game within the game.

Maybe all of the above is reading into everything a bit much, but then there's that long post history just sitting there.

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Old 07-21-2021, 01:49 PM
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Ok so no one is being charged with actual insurrection. So that's more lies from the muh Russia tinfoil brains.

Then they won't let capitol police testify because there's literally a video of them letting people in. A literal video recording of them saying OK you guys can come in if you're non violent.

Then we have proof they rigged an election now to shove Critical Racist Theories like kill whitey on members of military and children.

Then you have the staff in our community at the beck and call of these commie retards handing out free mobs and disbanding RP guilds.

Whole lot of big dog facts here, with all the proof in the world to back them up. Stay tuned.

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https://youtu.be/Rmc12n5uCPU

.0075% of tweets found to be found "racist" - despite media coverage flailing about racism directed at the English players.

LOL.

The link is to a video by...

Paul Joseph Watson is a British YouTuber, radio host, and conspiracy theorist. Watson began working at Alex Jones' website InfoWars in 2002 where he promoted and advocated for 9/11, chemtrail, and New World Order conspiracy theories. He would later promote fake news stories like Pizzagate. Wikipedia

...so not exactly a reliable source, on top of the fact that they are better known for a 2022 incident where the following was said:

“I care about white people and not sand [n-word] Paki Jew f****t c****s, yeah?” It continues, “I really think that you should press the button to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth.” According to the Byline Times investigation, Watson made the comments recently at a party in the U.K.

Granted, the post came first, then the incident followed after and the two shouldn't be conflated. But our sources say as much about us as the information we consume.


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How long is it before every mental illness has a flag and gets special rights, and reasons to fire people from their jobs for being disgusted by it?

Amusingly, there already was a flag for that, created a year prior to his post.

https://carescribe.io/blog/what-is-t...l-health-flag/

What is the Mental Illness Flag?
A collection of artists and advocates created The Mental Illness Flag in 2020. Pioneered by The Pete Foundation, this bespoke flag represents global acceptance and support for mental health issues.


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Becoming an instant citizen is an obvious loop hope abuse of something completely not intended
There is massive legal precedent to get it removed just like unconstitutional Obamacare.

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cancel culture is all over p99 demanding free pixels, and getting them

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reparations when?

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reparations when?
how many were pioneers, engineers, business men, lawyers, doctors?

how much was actually contributed in us vs them terms?

what about the 600,000 whites that died to free them?

how can we determine fairly, accurately and without infinite legal dispute who exactly is entitled to them? who is going to pay for all the ancestry tests? will the cost of issuing as accurately as possible them far outweigh the actual reparations paid?

these are the questions that remain for me. I think there's enough give and take to call the spread covered tbh.

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these are the questions that remain for me. I think there's enough give and take to call the spread covered tbh.
how dare you and your lack of high elf guilt

So, like, that's a lot of noise and it's exhausting to mull over. But now consider the fact that volunteer GMs had these interactions on a regular basis. Nuking the UN did the guild no favors, but that had to be the straw that broke the back. Ignoring all of this though, the rest of his post history is out-and-out confrontational, which is whatever, but forum trolling doesn't help the argument that DMO was created with purest intentions of roleplaying.