Found my first a-hole on the Blue Server

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mrobillard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like there is some confusion around the rules but regardless it was still a dick move.

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The point I am trying to make is there a right and honourable way to play the game, whether strictly the rules or not, I think most would agree this was not the “right” thing to do.

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are crocs in CT that are an amazing charm kill camp. You won't want to return to the Warrens anytime soon.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_Alligator_Pit

Start in the pit, get the hang of it, then move into the Alley.

You're welcome.

As the author of both that page and the Alley page, I strongly endorse this message [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

yes in the same way you would if it had to do with operating in real life.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes in the same way you would if it had to do with operating in real life.

Player A does a CC and player B does not respond.

[loramin]

If someone cuts in front of me in line at the grocery store, they've violated the clear (if unspoken) rule about how lines work in public. That is rude.

If someone bids before me in a DKP auction for an item, they haven't violated any rules of how my guild runs DKP auctions. It's absolutely NOT rude to for them to do so, because it's part of how the "game" of bidding on an item is played.

Here in P99 we have very clearly defined rules, and although they can be unclear at times, they are not super-complex or hard to follow. And those rules say there is no "line" in front of any mob. If you want Hadden, and I want Hadden, and Fred wants Hadden, it doesn't matter if you or me or Fred gets there first: we all have an equal shot at killing Hadden.

You can make up rules in your own head about how, since you got to Hadden one minute before Fred, Fred is a jerk for trying to get Hadden ... but those are your own made-up head rules.

[shovelquest]

You just completely changed the fucking scenario to suit your argument.

Now do if someone cuts in front of you in a video game, and explain why you think that is OK behavior in a SOCIAL video game, but it's not IRL.

You may not think the video game matters, but I don't think your position in the dunkin donuts line matters either.

Why is only one of us wrong?

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Live has paid GMs and they still won't get involved with camp disputes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Naethyn]

Play with integrity knowing that at eventually in the end you will get to decide who doesn't pass.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play with integrity knowing that at eventually in the end you will get to decide who doesn't pass.

I've seen this 1000s of times in EQ:

Demand equality until you've reached BIS then demand get good.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to be clear here. If two players both want a mob, but neither of them have killed it previously, so neither has any claim to it according to the rules ... and player A shows up to wait for that mob before player B ... you think player B is a dishonorable dick for playing the game and trying to get that mob?

I mean in England we form queues. It is cool and normal to respect those there before you, but I appreciate in your part of the world (wherever that is) it may be different. Even at a bar we mentally queue and defer to someone who has been waiting longer if engaged by the bartender out of order.

[shovelquest]

Back on live in 1999 the Jboot camp literally had a line of players that went out the door and down the hall. It was awesome.