Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Skope]

Your agreement doesn't apply to anyone but you and a few people, so why should we care at all? Why make it a general chat thread? We don't care. Do you really think people are happy you've decided it's stupid to sit there for weeks for something you could have had without having to stoop to idiotic behavior for? Do you really want a pat on the back for that? Sweet jesus, you're not very bright are you?

[maverixdamighty]

not complaining just offering a different point of view/suggestion. the agreement in place is not a server agreement atm it's a 3 guild agreement with the possibility to expand to more later on when you guys don't need it anymore. If that's not the goal then you can clarify, but that's how it comes across.

there are quite a few other guilds ready for ragefire i'm probably not listing all of them but bda/taken/divinity i'm sure there are more.

I'd suggest if you want to do something for the server that 2 out of every 3 ragefire spawns go to the trio of (ib/tmo/vd) with the 3rd going to (bda/taken/divinity) etc. Just a suggestion.

[Glitterati]

Look, I have not had Taken in that lair competing for a busted ass spawn, why add to that drama. After that patch when there is 3+ a week spawning, Taken is gonna be in that lair. Just saying.

[Skope]

Jeremy, remember when divinity killed a good 75% of everything that popped within a month and for a good while wasn't just "white knight" but rather one of the (and for a couple months THE) premier guilds on the server? To hear you talk about somebody else being morally superior is about the funniest thing on the planet, considering you should still be banned for boxing. I guess you should be thanking the same Rogean I keep calling out for idiotic decisions, letting you off the hook being one of them.

Wanna ask me what happened and why that fell apart? Variance. If it were classic, I can guarantee you we'd still be up there but nobody in this guild is willing to poopsock for years. We tracked, mobilized and competed and when guilds cheated is when Rogean took a nice hot dump down our throat for doing it fairly. Same still applies here. Poopsocking endlessly on mobs that needn't have a massive window (or a window at all) and then bitching about how other people aren't willing to put in that unnecessary time. You're right. Unfortunately, that sort of thinking is why you've got like 400-500 people playing here and if you wanna ride that failtrain until the server takes a dump and crown yourself the king of the hill when everyone's left then so be it. You'll look great in a crown, princess.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jeremy, remember when divinity killed a good 75% of everything that popped within a month and for a good while wasn't just "white knight" but rather one of the premier guilds on the server? To hear you talk about somebody else being morally superior is about the funniest thing on the planet, considering you should still be banned for boxing.

Wanna ask me what happened and why that fell apart? Variance. If it were classic, I can guarantee you we'd still be up there but nobody in this guild is willing to poopsock for years. We tracked, mobilized and competed and when guilds cheated is when Rogean took a nice hot dump down our throat for doing it fairly. Same still applies here. Poopsocking endlessly on mobs that needn't have a massive window (or a window at all) and then bitching about how other people aren't willing to put in that unnecessary time. You're right. Unfortunately, that sort of thinking is why you've got like 400-500 people playing here and if you wanna ride that train until the server takes a dump and crown yourself the king of the hill when everyone's left then so be it.

People have been claiming the server has been dying for years now. Please just shut up. The server is pretty healthy, if you ask me.

I'm not claiming anything about anyone being morally superior - you are. I'm telling you that you're a fucking twit.

Face reality and stop crying Skope. Woulda shoulda coulda... didn'ta!!

[Sizzle]

So what is stopping other guilds from coming in and just sitting on it and actually getting ragefire when they aren't in this said "line"?

[Bruman]

Man, some of you dudes completely miss the point! This is a game.

Not wanting to poopsock doesn't equal welfare. Welfare would be if people weren't willing to kill the mobs themselves. Noone is ever suggesting that. We want the fights, we want them to be the difficulty they should be.

Quit defending poopsocking (man, I'm so tired of this damn word, can we get another one?) as "putting in effort", or something to value. It's not. It's fucking retarded. Comparing it to socialism? Lawl. Stay on topic, brah. Keep the hyperbole in check a little, please.

Also, to the other part of your post, Jeremy - I, for one, always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Shit happens, especially in this buggy game. I'm sorry if any BDA has "jumped the gun" on making a conclusion. It's something I try to keep people from doing, and will continue to do so, especially within my guild.

[Bruman]

The only rub with killing Nagafen is the "spend time to level up alts to 52 and cap them" to kill him. That was an idea that worked well on live servers, because the "top end" guilds often moved on, and smaller guilds and pugs then went for Naggy (I realize not all servers were this way, but it did happen).

Here though, with much more stale content, he's still contested for some reason. The level cap on Naggy doesn't fit this server. Lots of things about live don't fit this server.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by ShinraTensei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Things that stop real life people from becoming millionaires, pro athletes, scholars, astronauts:

jobs
family
social lives

*see what I did thurr?*

People become those things as part of their job. That's why they get paid for it. What I see is that you made a broken argument, proving the point. A game is the not the same as real life, even though some of you seem to think it is.

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to buy a cleric and form my own guild and demand he get his ragefire as soon as anyone, now that the going is easy. That's what we're doing, right?!

If your guild can kill Ragefire, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get in line.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild can kill Ragefire, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get in line.

Based on the precedent set in the Trakanon rotation, it is not a requirement that said guild in the rotation be able to drop the target by themselves. As has been shown by IB and VD, you are allowed to seek help from other guilds, even those that have their own slot in the rotation!!