why not classic resists?

[heartbrand]

Cool. Here's my thoughts, can't speak for others. Right now for cold/fire, the return on your money for stacking one of those just doesn't seem worth it in many situations. If I'm sacrificing all my gear to get 180+ CR/FR, I want to see actual resists, not partials of 50-70%. I don't think that by any means marginalizes a class, wizards who realize a player is stacking cold can switch to fire, mages can use shock of swords instead, druids can use ice, etc. In mass PVP, it doesn't really pay to stack CR or FR because you won't get full resists and you may as well just wear HP gear since you can't really effectively keep both stacked unless you're in a bard group or haven't been pell bombed.

That being said, the real issue to me, and to others, is MR. CC spells are incredibly lame in any PVP game when they last longer than 4-5 seconds. Being bard mezzed or chanter mezzed at 300+ MR where you get to stand there immobile for perhaps upwards of a minute is just dumb for a PVP game.

In short, outside of getting to that sweet spot zone for MR to basically become root immune, resists don't really seem worth stacking at the sacrifice of HP gear for mass pvp, unless you're one of thew few who have the Blue Diamond gear which was supposed to be patched out four months ago for diamonds.

[Null]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool. Here's my thoughts, can't speak for others. Right now for cold/fire, the return on your money for stacking one of those just doesn't seem worth it in many situations. If I'm sacrificing all my gear to get 180+ CR/FR, I want to see actual resists, not partials of 50-70%. I don't think that by any means marginalizes a class, wizards who realize a player is stacking cold can switch to fire, mages can use shock of swords instead, druids can use ice, etc. In mass PVP, it doesn't really pay to stack CR or FR because you won't get full resists and you may as well just wear HP gear since you can't really effectively keep both stacked unless you're in a bard group or haven't been pell bombed.

That being said, the real issue to me, and to others, is MR. CC spells are incredibly lame in any PVP game when they last longer than 4-5 seconds. Being bard mezzed or chanter mezzed at 300+ MR where you get to stand there immobile for perhaps upwards of a minute is just dumb for a PVP game.

In short, outside of getting to that sweet spot zone for MR to basically become root immune, resists don't really seem worth stacking at the sacrifice of HP gear for mass pvp, unless you're one of thew few who have the Blue Diamond gear which was supposed to be patched out four months ago for diamonds.

I did the math on this a while back in reply to a post very similar to yours.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=43

If you have 50FR and 1000HP and you are considering adding 10FR, that 10FR is only worth 25HP against FR based nukes. However if you have 100FR and you add another 10FR then its worth 69HP. This also means that the more of a resist that you get, the more effective buffs are....for example if I have 100FR with 1000HP and I get 40FR from Resist Fire, that Resist Fire is effectively worth 467HP against FR based nukes. But if you have 50FR and you get buffed with Resist Fire, its only worth 155HP.

TL;DR: While resists are always going to be situational, they scale a hell of a lot better than HP gear...especially if you have access to buffs.

As far as Mez goes, ill take a look.

[Wolfgang]

Tbh I only remember stAcking mr for pvp and not really worrying bout. cold or fire if it sacrificed hps\mana. However I was bad so who knows

[Tr0llb0rn]

One more thing Null.

Remember the spirit of classic EQ in regards to keeping the veil and mystery over the "ugly numbers beneth the surface". Mana amount was hidden along with many other things, the devs said it was part of the mistique of the game, added to immersion.

Dont let them keep trolling you into revealing the exact formulas, what is good to wear, what is good to cast,etc.

Let urban legends and rumor fly about various spells and resistance strategy. Let us discover these things. Your custom system lets us again go back to that 1999 feel of "not knowing". Was sad when you revealed to a constantly crying player that "whirl till you hurl will almost always be resisted with X magic resist,etc" and such.

Your system is fine, let us figure it out. Dont reveal the formulas, let these noobs figure it all out themselves.

[heartbrand]

wut

[Harr1son]

Originally Posted by Netresome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im just curious as to why this server uses a custom resist system as opposed to the classic resist system? I saw several posts where null just says its a custom resist system and wont ever be classic. Not trolling or anything just curious as to why things are like this.

there is no such thing as a classic resist system. resists were constantly tweeked as EQ was updated, patched, etc etc.

not only that there is little to no data available to emulate any certain "patch period".

[bamzal]

^derp
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

This thread is spiralling outta control. So much fail on one page.
It's clear certain players & developers have no interest in a classic experience, even though this is advertised as classic (boggling???), so im just done arguing.
Peace

[Null]

Originally Posted by bamzal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^derp
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

This thread is spiralling outta control. So much fail on one page.
It's clear certain players & developers have no interest in a classic experience, even though this is advertised as classic (boggling???), so im just done arguing.
Peace

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[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by bamzal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^derp
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches.html

This thread is spiralling outta control. So much fail on one page.
It's clear certain players & developers have no interest in a classic experience, even though this is advertised as classic (boggling???), so im just done arguing.
Peace

Yeah Null, why didn't you just copy and paste all the code that is available from the Live servers from the 1999-2001 era? OH, WAIT......

Those variables and formulas are not available. Nor does every change to spells and combat systems get announced in patch notes. Derp indeed, moran. Instead of crying about how it's not classic, maybe you could be FRAPSing some fights against casters that highlights how "unfair" the current resist system is.

Or, you know, we could just make players resist 95% of every spell cast upon them with 80+ to resistances. Then you guys can cry about how there aren't enough people playing healers and other key classes that would become obsolete in pvp.

[Maze]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah Null, why didn't you just copy and paste all the code that is available from the Live servers from the 1999-2001 era? OH, WAIT......

Those variables and formulas are not available. Nor does every change to spells and combat systems get announced in patch notes. Derp indeed, moran. Instead of crying about how it's not classic, maybe you could be FRAPSing some fights against casters that highlights how "unfair" the current resist system is.

Or, you know, we could just make players resist 95% of every spell cast upon them with 80+ to resistances. Then you guys can cry about how there aren't enough people playing healers and other key classes that would become obsolete in pvp.

Bardalicious smart, Bamzal dumb.

Start providing evidence or stop whining.