Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic

[Nirgon]

Well he should be bard charmable and not enchanter charmable then. Song of the siren is the one that did this for the long stretch until Velious.

He and the Keymaster, then, should also both be BARD CHARMABLE ONLY with SONG OF THE SIREN and also DEATH TOUCH.

Glad we all got to the bottom of this [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. And, in turn, it makes raiding plane of sky quite easier but is classic by time line (whether or not this shit is crazy and unintended!).

[Qriptoniq]

Still waiting for this to be fixed.

I recall raiding with my guild on Druzzil Ro, <House of the Crimson Rose>, back in the day and being unable to charm him with Dictate. However, we had this awesome Bard named Songbird who would charm him and carry him all over PoSky with us. I can recall with certainty, furthermore, that he would DT, seeing as we were ALWAYS having to hand out resurrections to poor Songbird. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm quite surprised, due to the overwhelming evidence provided, that great Sir Nilbog has not restored this to a Classic™ version!

[Nirgon]

Ah yes, quite right. It was certainly the bard sploit fixed and Sirran being charmable went away along with it.

[Splorf22]

How about you apply your zeal for classicness to providing some evidence that the other mobs in sky were charmable? Because it seems they were.

[Nirgon]

I linked a raid guide. Sorry that there's no Everlore post on this bard bug that was quickly fixed.

Nilbog started posting again maybe I'll find those posts of guys talking about Keymaster vs Sirran and shit. BTW they death touched.

Another who truly has the classic zeal is carrying the torch now. I shall follow him.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Qriptoniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting for this to be fixed.

I recall raiding with my guild on Druzzil Ro, <House of the Crimson Rose>, back in the day and being unable to charm him with Dictate. However, we had this awesome Bard named Songbird who would charm him and carry him all over PoSky with us. I can recall with certainty, furthermore, that he would DT, seeing as we were ALWAYS having to hand out resurrections to poor Songbird. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm quite surprised, due to the overwhelming evidence provided, that great Sir Nilbog has not restored this to a Classic™ version!

Thanks.


More, source:

When the princess is slain, a MOB you’ll come to know and love
spawns in her place, a halfling called Sirran the Lunatic (level 63).
Sirran The Lunatic, like the Key Master, should never be attacked. He hits for 2000+ and death
touches so you’ll pretty much be dead before you can say “mommy”.

Also, pretty please fix Bzazzt...

I have to say this Plane of Sky is really bad ass and worth a read through for anyone trying to make it more classic.

It also notes how the Eye of Veeshan should work correctly:

She hits for around 170, procs an
efreeti DD on almost every hit and also Death Touches.

Please fix up EoV, Sirran (insane.. come on..) and bee quadding.

I'm sure people will contend that RZ didn't kill any raid bosses because we had no clue what we were doing raid organization wise (sleeper much?), but the truth is, we had people fully geared up and did clear this content. I've combed through this guide and its absolutely written by someone March 2001 (fairly early Velious imo) and also by someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.


More on dictate, source:

This is completely unresistable, expcept for dragons, gods, and mobs immune to magic. It will work on anything besides those that is level 58 or below.

Again from the above:

a halfling called Sirran the Lunatic (level 63).

Please help us make Plane of Sky the classic raid zone it was during live. Plane of Hate feels classic as hell and is very awesome, we only need to address invis stacking and maybe some of the mobs needing to see invis there.

[heartbrand]

Again, any change to Sirran NEEDS to be accompanied by the fixes to EoV / Bee / etc., as well as restoring to charmable thunder spirits and other mobs which were flagged uncharmable despite it not being classic

[Nirgon]

HB, being the honest Abe that I am, I did include that. My goal isn't to make playing miserable for people.

I think this is a very simple fix to implement as well.


Thott's classic writings CONFIRMING that it was bards being the bug, again for great (hopefully) closing of this case:

Source:

The level 39 charm fixed charm kiting by adding a mana cost. So the bard could charm kite, but not forever. GZ was always a big proponent of kiting, and I am guessing this was the end solution: kiting was allowed, but limited in duration.
I don't know the whole internal story behind the 39 charm. I don't know if it was meant to scale up with bard level, or had a charm cap equal to the highest kunark charms, or what. It was added fairly close to the kunark release, after the kunark spells were done. It worked on mobs up to level 55, and maybe higher.

All it took was a few gods getting charmed by bards for the nerf hammer to come down, and bard charm was changed to cap at 51. 51 was definitely the best cap pre-kunark, because so many encounters were designed assuming that cap existed. Having a higher cap made some of the toughest encounters at the time (PoS, etc.) easy.

Of course now, enchanters can charm level mobs over level 51 easily.

^ aaand there's your explainins for BARD charming Sirran, NOT enchanters. Thott, like the guy who made that raid guide, isn't just guessing.. trust me.


Another raid guide (for making separate reports):
http://ritualmisery.yuku.com/topic/1...of-Sky-Spoiler
http://www.angelfire.com/freak/eqjon...planeofair.htm

[Handull]

Make sirran uncharmable but allow people to charm Bzzazzts, island 1, and maybe more, and I don't think anyone will complain.

April '01
"Bzzazzt Isle:
Bzzazzt (3 on Bzzazzt Isle, Aggro, level 50) Look like Wasps from newbie zones, hit for 390, and cast Deadly Poison (1200 DoT) spell on target. Not very magic resistant, and can be mezzed easily (and charmed too with some work)"

[Treats]

This is completely unresistable, expcept for dragons, gods, and mobs immune to magic. It will work on anything besides those that is level 58 or below.

Lots of NPCs in game that are MR immune should not be able to dictate or rapture.

These should be checked, every one I have tried Dictate on has worked.