So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The're left wing idiots too. No reason to be equally stupid in the opposite direction. For example, Travvon's friend didn't come across as 100% credible. But that doesn't mean he then take Zimmerman's story as gospel. Which last i checked was he simply said "hey what are doing" and trayvon proceeded to violently attack him and announce he was going to kill him.
I already said aquitte for lack of evidence, but I think there is a really good chance Zimmerman decided to physically prevent Trayvon from leaving, and that there is also a chance he trayvon didn't go from zero to "you're going to die tonight motherfucker" all at once. Almost everyone will push away someone before "going for it."

"You got a problem, homie?"

- George Zimmerman's ideas of "what black people talk like"


Did anyone see the brutality of the court the past few days? I caught the news on-and-off this morning, watching Don West raving and the judge telling him to review the professional code of conduct for the court. Don West really should be on trial here. I've grown to loathe this dude.

And the other night when it went until 10PM, the judge kept asking George Zimmerman DIRECTLY whether or not he intended to testify. Don West kept butting in saying that he needed to confer with his client, and the judge kept saying, "Overruled," and basically told him to shut up, making George Zimmerman answer questions. He has such a squirrelly and timid voice, it actually made me cringe a bit in pity, somehow. She kept pressing him, and it was truly a brutal thing to watch. Not in a good way.

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[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Against the advice of every Neighboorhood Watch organization's guidelines in the entire country. Zimmerman is not a policeman, despite his fantasies to the contrary. According to SYG, Martin had the right to defend himself against Zimmerman. Too bad he was black. Apparently, in Florida, they just send you on home for picking a fight, then killing black people. That is, until someone reports it to national media.



It's causing the unnecessary death of another human being through negligence, incompetence, and stupidity. In other words, it's manslaughter.



Martin had every right to defend himself from a strange man, who is not a security guard or police officer, following him. Or are all black teenage males "fucking punks" up to "no good." And Zimmerman is a proven liar. He and his wife both got thrown into jail for lying about their finances to a judge, remember?



Maybe he shouldn't harass strangers and he wouldn't get his ass kicked. If he hadn't had his gun, his fat pussy ass wouldn't have gotten out of the car in the first place. It comes down to that idiotic SYG law that never should have been passed by fat, old white baby boomers frightened to death of black people. This is what happens.



Wrong. It's the state's duty to investigate the killing of a human being by another human being, no matter the circumstances beyond "Hey Bob, it's just a dead ******. Let him go, you know how them coons are."

wow. there is a staggering amount of incorrect in this post. i'm going to go paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraph 1a - he doesn't have to follow the guidelines of neighborhood watch. should he have? sure. and trayvon should've run home or called the cops. a lot of different scenarios could have resulted in a much better outcome. but he has no legal obligation to follow those guidelines.

Paragraph 1b - it's highly questionable as to whether trayvon had the legal right to initiate physical violence with zimmerman. you claim that he was allowed to engage, in accordance with SYG. that depends upon a reasonable apprehension of harm. it would be a tough case to prove that trayvon reasonably believed zimmerman would harm him based simply on the fact that he followed him and asked what he was doing. it would be even tougher to prove that after initiating violence, it was necessary to pin zimmerman to the ground and continue hostile action. but most importantly, even if you were to prove that martin was justified and believed himself to be acting in self defense, that does NOT mean that zimmerman was not ALSO acting in self defense when he shot martin. martin could have attacked out of self defense, at which point zimmerman could have shot him in self defense. this would be a tragic misunderstanding based on two non-criminal instances of self defense. such is the law as it relates to self defense. it is mostly about reasonable perception -- not actual danger.

Paragraph 1c - your contention that zimmerman picked the fight is based wholly on supposition with no grounding in fact. we lose clarity as to the events that occurred in between zimmerman asking what trayvon was doing and both parties brawling on the ground. that intervening action is of paramount importance in determining who, in fact, "picked the fight".

Paragraph 2 - following a person and asking what they're doing is not grounds for a conviction of manslaughter. it is not negligent. it is not incompetent or stupid. it is nosy, maybe, which also is not a crime. you are making assumptions as to the intervening actions that resulted in violence. those assumptions are your own -- they're fabricated, not factual.

Paragraph 3 - again, you are advocating for trayvon's right to defend himself. again, this is an uphill battle and in no way relevant to the outcome of the zimmerman case. even if trayvon was acting well within his rights of self defense, so too could zimmerman have been.

Paragraph 4a - there is no evidence that he harassed martin. that is, again, supposition on your part.

Paragraph 4b - perhaps zimmerman wouldn't have gotten out of his car without his gun -- that only bolsters zimmerman's case for self defense. if you argue he's a pussy, you further support the notion that he feared for his life while being attacked by martin.

Paragraph 4c - SYG has not been mobilized by zimmerman nor is it relevant to this case in any way. SYG grants zimmerman the ability to defend himself without an obligation to retreat. according to testimony, zimmerman was pinned to the ground by martin. this would nullify his responsibility to retreat, even in a non-SYG state.

Paragraph 5 - correct. it was the state's duty to investigate. they did, and they filed no charges because there is insufficient evidence to properly charge that a crime was, in fact, committed. it was not until this became a cause celebre that a special prosecutor was appointed to initiate far further scrutiny than a case such as this would typically garner

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Reapin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People like Daldolma want a race war so they can sell more instruments of death to stupid racist redneck pieces of shit.

i do not discriminate. i sell my wares in accordance with the 2nd amendment of this great country. if you do not like gun shows, do not attend. if rednecks are in need of armament, i am a simple peddler of goods.

don't blame me for finding a lucrative field while promoting the ideals this great nation was founded upon. i use some of my excess for good anyway, i am very generous with my church and the troops

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why can none of you abandon the idea of race? zimmerman killed a kid plain and simple. he was told to not engage treyvon by a 911 operator that instructed him to wait for police because besides this criminal trial there will be a civil trial where his liability will be questioned and argued. zimmerman didn't have to engage treyvon is what it boils down to.

bwuhhhhh

None of the shit you mentioned means anything. Also a 17 year old is 1 year from being an adult that isn't a kid.

It all comes down to the fight. All evidence shows that Zimmerman was the one attacked. He had a right to self defense.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe he shouldn't harass strangers and he wouldn't get his ass kicked. If he hadn't had his gun, his fat pussy ass wouldn't have gotten out of the car in the first place. It comes down to that idiotic SYG law that never should have been passed by fat, old white baby boomers frightened to death of black people. This is what happens

SYG is not in any way at issue. I think you're missing the legal points that are at stake within the trial. Page 16 if this thread has detailed posts concerning the exact charges brought against him and the exact nature of his defense and why it is likely to succeed.

Relevant repost below:

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're not catching the thrust of the argument. SYG abuse is not in question here, at all. Sure, people are talking about it BECAUSE of the trial, but it is in NO WAY part of the actual proceedings. SYG was not used, much less abused, here.

Zimmerman's defense is as follows:

Self-defense because he was about to be murderized while pinned to the ground. That's it. He is NOT asserting SYG nor is it relevant to the case. SYG would ONLY be relevant if he had to opportunity to flee before using deadly force but chose not to flee. Even if Florida was NOT a SYG state, the concept would be irrelevant because of Zimmerman's defense. His story is that he was pinned. It is an integral part of his claims. Because his defense includes the inability to escape, SYG never enters the picture.

This is an all-or-nothing situation. He either proves that he defended himself from imminent harm while pinned, or he does not. There is no third theory where SYG comes into play.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bwuhhhhh

It all comes down to the fight. All evidence shows that Zimmerman was the one attacked. He had a right to self defense.

There is no evidence that points to Trayvon starting the violence with Zimmerman, or that it was merely "self defense." This is Zimmerman's story which you seem to take as fact. There's a difference between "not guilty" and "innocent."

[Reapin]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why can none of you abandon the idea of race? zimmerman killed a kid plain and simple. he was told to not engage treyvon by a 911 operator that instructed him to wait for police because besides this criminal trial there will be a civil trial where his liability will be questioned and argued. zimmerman didn't have to engage treyvon is what it boils down to.

You must be from Canada.

Everything in America is about money and race.

[Misto]

Martin started the fight.

He slams the beaner's head on the concrete. Beaner pulls a gun. Kills the ******.

He feared for his life. He did nothing wrong.

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To the people that want this beaner on death row for what he did. Engaging someone in a conversation doesn't give you grounds to punch them in the face.

That's it. It's that simple.

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Oh. Hasbinbad is still a fag.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i do not discriminate. i sell my wares in accordance with the 2nd amendment of this great country. if you do not like gun shows, do not attend. if rednecks are in need of armament, i am a simple peddler of goods.

don't blame me for finding a lucrative field while promoting the ideals this great nation was founded upon. i use some of my excess for good anyway, i am very generous with my church and the troops

Figures, this is about gun sales to you. You could give a fuck less that someone was killed. You just want to be able to "protect" yourself from the big skeery black men.

And by the way, the 2nd Amendment was written to ensure an armed militia could be raised if the British, French, or Spanish invaded. Period. Not for armed rebellion, or shootin' ******s.