Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Players killing players is a foundation of red, players consent to that when they roll on a red server.

The same is not true of blue (except when consent is given through a duel/arena or in VP).

FTFY

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man this made me laugh irl. If this is the case, then blue servers are actually red. Every time a monk/sk pulls a dragon in VP (or mobs in LGuK, KC, HS, SolB, Befallen, etc.), thus intentionally imposing the environment on every other player at the raid, that must be player versus player.

Right?

Really there is probably a spectrum:

Pure PVE: each (group of) player's experiences are independent of the others. It would require instances, so I would say Diablo or WoW come pretty close to this.

EQ: mostly PVE, but players can choose to cooperate or compete, which mostly occurs via cockblocking/racing.

EQ PVP: Players can actually attack each other, opening up a whole new level of griefing

EQ Trains: Given the relative strength of the monsters and players, I think this actually a much more brutal form of PVP than actual PVP, and they do not allow trains on red. Considering that a non-FD class can do absolutely nothing about being trained repeatedly by an FD class, it's hard to consider that anything other than griefing. At least on a PVP server the warrior can try and kill the monk/necro/sk; in VP 90% of the players are pure targets.

[Nietche]

When I rolled blue, I expected a lot. Yes, I expected to be trained by both idiots and d-bags too. Why? Because that's part of the game.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTFY

QFT. People know what they are getting into when they zone in. Its been that way since day 1 of VP.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFT. People know what they are getting into when they zone in. Its been that way since day 1 of VP.

What about the people that rolled on blue before that "rule" was instituted? They just have to live with it?

[Gadwen]

Allowing trains anywhere is just stupid, but I don't blame the staff for just washing their hands of what goes on in VP....ultimately it comes down to the players, and lets face facts...a lot of you guys are just shitheads that nobody wants to deal with or even be around. It really is sad that on an emu of a 14 year old game that so many feel the need to pretend that they are 14 years old themselves.

However I do find it funny that while I have seen multiple members of the staff say on several occasions that they wish that the raid guilds on this server would be smaller and not centered around zerging, but they implement mechanics and allow behavior that encourages the exact opposite.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QFT. People know what they are getting into when they zone in. Its been that way since day 1 of VP.

Its pretty funny you say "Day 1" considering its the first 24 hours that VP was a GM-enforced rotation, the exact opposite of what you state:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After the first 24 hours of Veeshan's Peak, the zone will become a Non-Disputable Zone. CSR will not be responding or taking any action on disputes that involve the zone. You are on your own.

Ignorance really taints an argument.

[Joroz]

on live the zone was non csr to give you a real sense of loosing your hard earned pixels if your raid sucked bad enough to go in and loose their bodies. No gm help, no summons, no anything... just you and your naked friends trying desperately to get your gear back that took countless /played days of your life to get.

on p99 the zone is non csr but means a whole different thing, its more like a battleground where everything goes... except certain exploits. its not about loosing your shit; its about just not caring about this zone at all... so guilds "should" be able to work out their own issues with each other in this zone on p99 but as we see this not the case and often overflows into the rest of the server. VP on p99 is in care-bear mode, the dynamics are broken for most of the zone and the only challenges that this zone really presents guilds is how to pvp each other with mobs.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on live the zone was non csr to give you a real sense of loosing your hard earned pixels if your raid sucked bad enough to go in and loose their bodies. No gm help, no summons, no anything... just you and your naked friends trying desperately to get your gear back that took countless /played days of your life to get.

on p99 the zone is non csr but means a whole different thing, its more like a battleground where everything goes... except certain exploits. its not about loosing your shit; its about just not caring about this zone at all... so guilds "should" be able to work out their own issues with each other in this zone on p99 but as we see this not the case and often overflows into the rest of the server. VP on p99 is in care-bear mode, the dynamics are broken for most of the zone and the only challenges that this zone really presents guilds is how to pvp each other with mobs.

There is also zero risk of corpse rot in VP or other places on this server. People can come back a year later and get their stuff back.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its pretty funny you say "Day 1" considering its the first 24 hours that VP was a GM-enforced rotation, the exact opposite of what you state:

Ignorance really taints an argument.

You're picking knits. You know what I meant.