Congratulations Lord Bob

[radditsu]

Wait? Wizards cast more than sunstrike and ice comet?

[Tongpow]

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[YendorLootmonkey]

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I LOL'd

[Mirana]

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Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Isn't the entire concept of the new raid system to force people to play a certain way? So then why is it hypocritical to ask Bob Guild to play in a certain way?

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More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content.

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We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with forcing play styles.

I guess I don't really understand your position. The new raid policy forces people to play the game a certain way. The ultimate goal of that forced style is so that everyone can, as you said, experience content. Yet, the actions of Bob guild clearly contradict the spirit of everyone "experiencing content." I don't think the guild that got leapfrogged got to "experience content."

For the record, I have no horse in this race. My highest character is a 39 druid. However, I am entirely in favor of the new raiding system. I also have nothing against the guides and am immensely thankful for all the work that goes into making this server a reality.

I'm just totally confused by your comments, they seem highly contradictory.

[Derubael]

I instantly knew I'd regret clicking this thread, but,

Originally Posted by Derubael

we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

Bolded relevant section. We firmly stated (and this was from Rogean himself during the raid talks) that we would not be enforcing a rotation because we still believed encouraging competition was an important part of Everquest, being that it is one of the only open world MMORPG available on the internet today where that is possible.

Under the current policy, everyone is experiencing content, but again, this never was, and never will be, about segregating or forcing playstyles on others. If you want to compete in Class R, you can compete in Class R so long as you play by the established rules.

This statement:

Originally Posted by Derubael

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Was in direct relation to certain guild leaders position during the raid talks (IE, that forcing playstyles on others was unfair, unjust, wrong, and exactly what TMO/FE/IB was doing prior to the raid talks). My argument that their statement was hypocritical has nothing to do with my own personal views on the subject, I was pointing out the hypocrisy in taking a position against a guild who was trying to play their own way and attempting to 'force' them into playing a different way, while also maintaining that forcing playstyles is wrong.

inb4 rnf explosion.

[Duckwalk]

Considering the fact that the end game and all associated content has been dominated by one particular play style, forcing the sharing of SOME content for a couple months before Velious shouldn't be an issue.

TLDR: yes, casual play style is being forced on some content, get the fuck over it.

[Splorf22]

The goal of the casual guilds is to kill a few raid mobs without dealing with the batphoning, poopsocking, tracking, training, and other insanity that has typified this server since its inception. In other words, we do not like the Class C style of play. Doljo wanted to bring that style into class R.

How on earth is this hypocritical?

[Splorf22]

I should say, how is disliking that hypocritical?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was pointing out the hypocrisy in taking a position against a guild who was trying to play their own way and attempting to 'force' them into playing a different way, while also maintaining that forcing playstyles is wrong.

Depends on your perspective. Why is it not correct to say that Lord Bob (a minority within Class R) is forcing their playstyle on the rest of Class R (a majority within Class R) when the whole point of the server raid rules re-vamp was to...

guess what...

stop a minority from continuing to dictate a playstyle (hyper-extreme full retard rules-lawyer get-the-pixels-at-whatever-cost-while-watching-the-world-burn competition) to the majority?

[Derubael]

Yendor, as has been stated before:

Originally Posted by Derubael

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with .. play styles.

Originally Posted by Derubael

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content.

Shovel THAT!

Originally Posted by Splorf22

The goal of the casual guilds is to kill a few raid mobs without dealing with the batphoning, poopsocking, tracking, training, and other insanity that has typified this server since its inception. In other words, we do not like the Class C style of play. Doljo wanted to bring that style into class R.

How on earth is this hypocritical?

It's not, and I never said it was. The 'dont force playstyles' + 'play our way or leave' is what's hypocritical.

The 'dont force playstyles' argument was always a terrible one. A much better position (that many in those talks took, and that I personally agree with) is 'We want to experience raid content without going to the extremes some other guilds go to'.