End of the rotation?

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they swing and miss majorly, they can be penalized up to 4 slots...with no expiration on that newly assessed wait.

How does that not expire the next time you kill the mob?

[Ravager]

It'll be a Groundhog's Day Miracle if a rotation agreement is negotiated in good faith in RnF.

[Raev]

Our proposal was not the "official" one. But most of the people we showed it to liked it.

Anichek, the point is that once you have waited out your penalty period it is gone. Nothing remains. It's not permanent. What is the point of a penalty if you can just have it erased later? This is, BTW, yet another reason I dislike the BDA proposal. The A-Team is not going to fail Gorenaire or any other mob 3x in a row, and when you figured that out you would be back at the table for another round of exhausting negotiations.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It'll be a Groundhog's Day Miracle if a rotation agreement is negotiated in good faith in RnF.

If you had access to FAP, you might reconsider that. There is, if anything, more flaming going on there.

Anyway, Taken was trying to bully us into accepting this proposal last night. Let me just copy and paste some of my response:

What we are against is BDA's proposal. Among other things:

• No spare time to kill FFA mobs or Nobles on rumbles if you have an R mob up
• Encourages guilds to hassle their enemies by hanging around and waiting for 1 hour to pass, breeding discord
• 1 hour engage means everyone has to camp out toons, track hard, and basically poopsock anyway
• New guilds trying out for the rotation (CT is the gatekeeper in V.5) could get fucked by IB/TMO training around for the FFA Dracoliche and wasting half of their timer
• New guilds have to kill Draco and Maestro 24/7
• Does not actually shrink the rotation in Tier 3, because no one will fail to kill Gorenaire 3x in a row
• Probably has more problems hiding in its 3 pages of small font text, but I found more than enough in my quick reading

We are quite willing to compromise here. We made a VERY reasonable proposal that gives you just about everything you want (although, we are probably going to amend it to make it more favorable to us). But you are not going to bully us into taking this very bad proposal, and we aren't going to break the rotation. You are going to have to decide whether you would rather go Rogue or take a proposal without your name on it that does not allow you to hassle guilds you dislike, but does substantially accelerate the rotation for guilds that execute correctly.

[Ravager]

I've got no say in this. Nobody ever listens to me anyway. I'm just killing time here like everyone else.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got no say in this. Nobody ever listens to me anyway. I'm just killing time here like everyone else.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had access to FAP, you might reconsider that. There is, if anything, more flaming going on there.

Are we seriously discussing with someone that lacks acces to FAP?

What has the world come to.

No really, blue seems fun though.

[MaksimMazor]

BDA ruining the server

[Tiggles]

What I want to know is.

What happens if BDA and Taken opt out of the rotation and FFA every mob they can.

Do the other guilds have the resources available to fight back against this?

It seems like they hold all the leverage here and the only thing the other guilds have is forum whining.

If you can't show them you can and will compete against them then they will put you into what ever plan they devise.

[Absolution]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I want to know is.

What happens if BDA and Taken opt out of the rotation and FFA every mob they can.

Do the other guilds have the resources available to fight back against this?

It seems like they hold all the leverage here and the only thing the other guilds have is forum whining.

If you can't show them you can and will compete against them then they will put you into what ever plan they devise.

Never see any FFA target killed by BDA (except few one with simulated repop).