ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[deezy]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

personally i think they will be separate people, and i expect it to be Daenerys Targaryen and Jon Snow. with Dany being Azor Azai and Jon Snow being the Prince that was Promised. i expect Dany to give her life in some fashion that will forever save mankind from the threat of the Whitewalkers, and Jon Snow as the prince that was promised will be declared the rightful king of Westeros, and will unite the North and the South. i know, i know.. what about Aegon? Aegon will be killed, or more likely discovered to be an imposter as has happened a few times in English history (GRRM loves to borrow from english history).

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

[Sidelle]

Ok, back on the appropriate subject...

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

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[Sidelle]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

I realize that anything Dany is supposed to see in the House is not exactly a guarantee. She was told (paraphrasing here) that she would see visions of things that have already happened, will happen in the future, and would never happen - but the scene with Rhaegar and his family (to me) is just a given.

As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

I've been kind of spot-reading so I'm skipping around a lot when my intention was to read the books again start to finish. I'm sure I'll be back with more as I go.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

I realize that anything Dany is supposed to see in the House is not exactly a guarantee. She was told (paraphrasing here) that she would see visions of things that have already happened, will happen in the future, and would never happen - but the scene with Rhaegar and his family (to me) is just a given.

As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

I've been kind of spot-reading so I'm skipping around a lot when my intention was to read the books again start to finish. I'm sure I'll be back with more as I go.

I forgot to mention Maester Aemon saying Dany is the PtwP. At best, it just seemed like he was speculating and wasn't fully coherant (?) while he was on his death bed. That's just my take on it.

[Funkutron5000]

Quad post. You need to settle down, Sirks. We're all excited!

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddd dddddddddssssssssssssssssss.

[Red_Psyphon]

Just got into Game of thrones last week, already caught up...so awesome and so sad. I love it!

[Funkutron5000]

For those of you interested in GoT/ Olympics crossovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9Ji7DvsjU

Charles Dance owns. Gonna miss Tywin.

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those of you interested in GoT/ Olympics crossovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9Ji7DvsjU

Charles Dance owns. Gonna miss Tywin.

Guy is one of the best castings in the series for sure. While I was disappointed when he didn't have massive blond lamb chops like he did in the book I can probably take him a bit more seriously without.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy is one of the best castings in the series for sure. While I was disappointed when he didn't have massive blond lamb chops like he did in the book I can probably take him a bit more seriously without.

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I'm gonna be reading Dangerous Women soon. Just haven't gotten around to it yet with all of my other catch-up reading. I haven't even read Dunk and Egg yet.

P.S. Really glad Tywin doesn't have those ugly chops in the show. Lol

[Sirken]

book 1 chapter 20 (Eddard), only says this about Varys -

the councilor Ned liked least, the eunuch Varys, accosted him the moment he entered. "Lord Stark, i was grievous sad to hear about your troubles on the Kingsroad. We have all been visiting the sept to light candles for Prince Joffrey. I pray for his recovery." His hand left powder stains on Ned's sleeve, and he smelled as foul and sweet as flowers on a grave.

moreover, Varys is never described as having the blue lips that serves as the trade mark sign for the members of the house of the undying (they get this from drinking the shade of the evening). The only people we're told have been drinking it are the Warlocks, Pyat Pree, Daenerys Targaryen (only once), Euron Greyjoy, Victarion Greyjoy (tries a small swallow and spits it out immediately).

and then, Varys despises magic, but especially dark magic. heres his history

Though nothing that Varys says can be completely trusted, he claims to have been born a slave in Lys that was sold and apprenticed to a traveling folly, a troupe of mummers who worked the Free Cities, Oldtown, and occasionally King's Landing, by means of a fat little cog owned by the troupe's master. During their stay in Myr, a man offered a large sum of money for Varys, an offer his master found too tempting to refuse. The man gave Varys a potion that made him powerless to move or speak, but did nothing to dull his senses as his manhood was cut off at the stem, then burnt in a brazier in a Blood Magic ritual. Varys claims to have held a hatred for all things magical ever since.

With the ritual complete, the man had no further use for Varys and tossed him out on the streets. Varys asked the man what he should do, to which the sorcerer replied he supposed that he should die. Varys to spite him vowed to live.

By that time the mummers had sailed and Varys was left alone. He resorted to begging, prostitution and thievery and soon was as good a thief as any in Myr, eventually becoming recognized as the best thief in the city until a rival forced him out and he fled to Pentos.

In Pentos, Varys befriended a poor sellsword named Illyrio Mopatis and they started a business where Varys would steal objects from lesser thieves and Illyrio would get the objects back for their original owners for a small fee. Soon, every man and woman in Pentos who ever had valuables stolen from them all knew who to ask to get their valuables back. In addition, the thieves in Pentos soon began to seek Illyrio and Varys out, half to try (and failing) to kill them, the other half to sell them the objects they stole in order to prevent Varys from stealing them back. Varys and Illyrio grew very rich.

Varys came to the realization that information was much more valuable than gold and gems and began training his spy network, then known as "little mice", to acquire the information, letters, ledgers and charts of the wealthy and powerful. The "mice" were orphans purchased by Varys; he chose those that were small, quick, and quiet, and taught them to read and write, as well as the skills required for sneak thievery such as climbing walls and slipping down chimneys, so that they might copy the information Varys desired without disturbing or alarming their targets.

These secrets increased Varys and Illyrio's wealth tenfold, and in time Varys became so infamous that word of his talents reached the ears of King Aerys across the Narrow Sea, who in his growing paranoia no longer trusted his son, his wife, or his Hand.

and then we also know Varys likes disguises,

Varys employs the use of various disguises to go about unnoticed. Upon seeing one of the disguises Tyrion remarks, "A different look, a different smell, a different way of walking ... most men would be deceived".
As a stout man in a heavy brown robe in roughspun - in cracked, mud-caked boots smelling of sweat. His face hidden by a cowl, hands drawn up into voluminous sleeves. At first he speaks in a strange low voice. Ned is astonished to realize it is Lord Varys. Ned notices his usual cloying tones are gone and his voice is a thin and sharp as a whip.

As a begging brother – in filthy patched robes, bare feet crusty with dirt, a bowl hung about his neck on a leather thong where a septon would have worn a crystal. The smell of him would have gagged a rat. He has a mouth full of rotted teeth.

As a woman – plump, soft, matronly, with a round pin moon of a face and heavy dark curls. For one horrid moment Tyrion thinks its Lollys.

As a dungeon turnkey named Rugen

Personally i dont think Varys is a warlock, nor do i think hes a member of the house of the undying. he lacks the blue lips / Shade of the evening connection.