So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Reapin]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean he was lost? He was walking home from a 7/11.

He was at his dads girlfriends house, it was dark and raining.

[Bodeanicus]

I love when people say "Why didn't he just call 911 himself?"

Because cops tend to suspect, and beat the shit out of teenage black kids, automatically. That's why.

[Misto]

Reapin. I don't know where you're going with this.

It's not like he was a retarded autistic kid that didn't know where he was or what he was doing.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suggest you acquaint yourself with the legal elements of SYG and the present trial. SYG is not, in any way, at issue.

It's the whole point of the fucking case, you fucking idiot.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And it still doesn't change the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't gotten of his car with his 9mm security blanket and tried to play cop, and let the real police handle it, none of this shit would have happened. He's guilty of manslaughter, at least, and it's looking like he's going to jail. As he should.

no, it doesn't change the fact that if zimmerman doesn't get out of car, none of this happens. you are correct about that. that is the tragedy of the situation.

unfortunately, the conclusions you draw from that inkling of factual information are devastatingly poor. the difference between murder 2 and manslaughter is all about zimmerman's state of mind. basically, whether or not the actions were perpetrated with ill will or malice. ill will is not really the main dispute in this case. he called martin a fucking punk -- if you're going to deny self defense, you may as well go ahead with murder 2.

but that's irrelevant, because in order for either of these charges to land, you need to disprove self defense. and there is insufficient evidence to disprove self defense. it is not looking like he's going to jail -- it is overwhelmingly looking like acquittal. if some miscarriage of justice does result in conviction, he is virtually certain to overturn on appeal.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why didn't he just run away instead of punching him in the face then.

There's no proof that Martin threw the first punch, except the word of a proven liar.

[Misto]

So he walked into a gated community. Which is gated. To go where?

Have you ever been in a gated community?

[Misto]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no proof that Martin threw the first punch, except the word of a proven liar.

If this guy had a track record of hunting down black kids in the middle of the night and eating cereal out of their skulls.

Then I'd say he was lying. But he doesn't.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the whole point of the fucking case, you fucking idiot.

lol.

you are totally ignorant re: the laws in play in this case. stand your ground has NOTHING to do with this case. it has not been mobilized by the defense and it needn't be. as both xasten and i have explained, zimmerman's claim that he was pinned to the ground has totally eliminated any relevance SYG might have had. the only unique aspect of SYG is the removal of an obligation to retreat. if you can't retreat because your attacker is pinning you down to the ground, that difference is irrelevant. this is pure self defense, not SYG

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, it doesn't change the fact that if zimmerman doesn't get out of car, none of this happens. you are correct about that. that is the tragedy of the situation.

unfortunately, the conclusions you draw from that inkling of factual information are devastatingly poor. the difference between murder 2 and manslaughter is all about zimmerman's state of mind. basically, whether or not the actions were perpetrated with ill will or malice. ill will is not really the main dispute in this case. he called martin a fucking punk -- if you're going to deny self defense, you may as well go ahead with murder 2.

but that's irrelevant, because in order for either of these charges to land, you need to disprove self defense. and there is insufficient evidence to disprove self defense. it is not looking like he's going to jail -- it is overwhelmingly looking like acquittal. if some miscarriage of justice does result in conviction, he is virtually certain to overturn on appeal.

And it still doesn't change the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't gotten of his car with his 9mm security blanket and tried to play cop, and let the real police handle it, none of this shit would have happened. He's guilty of manslaughter, at least, and it's looking like he's going to jail. As he should.

Spin it anyway you like, Zimmerman caused an avoidable death due to astounding stupidity and poor judgement. Manslaughter.