Best solo melee class?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are we still talking clickies?

This is one thread i was *actially* interested in.
Never had a decent ranger (or pally/SK for that matter).

There was hopefully gonna be an easily sortable forumy kinda list of ideas/options. Instead, it starts kinda well then the usual shitfuck begins.

There is only a certain number of ways you can say the same thing. (It's one)
So telling us clickies save mana and make a positive effect on the ability to "solo".
It's said. It's done. There is Good points, there is Bad points. Please let the reader decide.
The 20th time the same thing is said makes it sound like those old adverts on late night TV.
Ya gotta keep banging on about it until you find the weak spot in the listeners armor. Then BAM!.
Just like Janine Melnitz says on Ghostbusters.

We Got One!

The same logic would certainly apply to the other posters repeating their same points, bringing in off topic nonsense, posting nothing but insults repeatedly, etc.

Somehow I am always the only person getting called out, even when other people do worse things. People like to claim there is a pattern where it is always my fault, even when the post history shows otherwise.

The more interesting pattern is why other bad behavior is routinely ignored in favor of focusing on me.

[Cecily]

I don't see how Tolan's gloves save mana in a group setting.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how Tolan's gloves save mana in a group setting.

I know. That is why you have leveled 3 Rangers to 60, and you still can't maintain your mana in a group. One day you may figure it out. The answers might be in this very thread!

[Cecily]

Feels like you're shaming me for running oom in 84 min intervals and trying to frame it as a skill issue when this isn't a thread about optimizing not leaving your chair as a 300 lb mammal. You've already established your authority on that subject. This is, however, a thread about soloing, and your argument is invalid.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I read this post is the "raw ac cap" of (level * 6 + 25) is a hardcap put on lower levels. So a level 1 has a hardcap of 31 worn AC, and a softcap of X.

I know this contradicts his previous statement:



But I don't think he would use the words "raw ac cap" instead of softcap if he was revealing the softcap formula. He also specified the formula is for low levels.

My guess is they didn't want to divulge the softcap information, but they wanted to give out the low level hardcap information.

EDIT: A warrior can go over 385 worn AC, but this "raw ac cap" is said to be for low levels, so it is probably removed well before level 60.

By raw I guess he meant worn.

He stated "lower level" was below 51.

50*6+25=325 @lvl50. Which means at least 385 @60.

He says there's no hardcap so I always assumed that cap was a softcap. I always felt that cap was ridiculously high but if it is a one size fits all type of deal it has to work for warriors too so I guess it makes sense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feels like you're shaming me for running oom in 84 min intervals and trying to frame it as a skill issue when this isn't a thread about optimizing not leaving your chair as a 300 lb mammal. You've already established your authority on that subject. This is, however, a thread about soloing, and your argument is invalid.

More insults. I am just pointing out things you have already said:

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't have mana recovery, those cheap spells will eventually tank your mana and the recovery is bad. You can maintain a semi-homeostasis longer with more mana.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I have 2300 mana. Flame lick costs 10. I cast it twice per mob. That's 20 mana. That's 115 mobs. Say 45 seconds a kill. That's 86 mins of uptime, not including passive mana regen. Snaggles ranger with 1600 mana gets 60 mins of uptime only spending mana on flame licks. It's not an issue that needs to be solved with Tolan's gloves. The mana just runs out eventually. It's ok. That's an example of how more mana not run out faster. Thank you for weighing in.

Feel free to correct the record if you are using some strategy other than max mana to maintain your mana past 86 minutes.

When I pointed out clickies were a method of mana recovery, you responded with sarcasm:

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Did you know you can use 4 second cast items and proc weapons as a replacement for near instant cast, low mana spells? Thank you for sage insights as always.

I have plenty of evidence showing clickies work as mana recovery items when applicable. But unfortunately you use the argument from authority fallacy to ignore what I say, instead of countering with your own evidence:

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The presumption that you have anything to educate me with regarding a class I've leveled and raided with extensively which you also don't play is, quite frankly, presumptuous, and I don't appreciate it.

People will think you are an authority if you respond with evidence instead of fallacies.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By raw I guess he meant worn.

He stated "lower level" was below 51.

50*6+25=325 @lvl50. Which means at least 385 @60.

He says there's no hardcap so I always assumed that cap was a softcap. I always felt that cap was ridiculously high but if it is a one size fits all type of deal it has to work for warriors too so I guess it makes sense.

Good catch on the level 51 comment.

Yeah the softcap post is worded a bit loosely. My assuption is the level * 6 + 25 formula isn't the softcap formula, since it gets removed at 51+. I'd be suprised if the softcap was removed entirely 51+, but I haven't done a lot of research on the topic.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good catch on the level 51 comment.

Yeah the softcap post is worded a bit loosely. My assuption is the level * 6 + 25 formula isn't the softcap formula, since it gets removed at 51+. I'd be suprised if the softcap was removed entirely 51+, but I haven't done a lot of research on the topic.

I haven't read anywhere it gets removed at 51? I'm assuming it just ramps up for a cap higher than 385.

Btw that softcap formula until 50... it says it is until 50 on the "statistics" wiki page but the source linked doesn't confirm this. I tried rereading haynar's posts to find a source for this and haven't found anything. Unless I'm brainfarting I don't think we know what "low level" is.

Also: later in the thread haynar goes on a rant about people saying AC was hardcapped while it wasn't, and didn't understand why people came to that conclusion. The recent parses in the ranger thread seemed to show mob level (atk proxi?) hardcapped player AC returns so I'm not sure what baffled haynar so much as to why players drew that conclusion. Is it possible that the mob hardcap was added later? Because that system probably negates the need for a softcap until you reach raiding

[Duik]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The same logic would certainly apply to the other posters repeating their same points, bringing in off topic nonsense, posting nothing but insults repeatedly, etc.

Somehow I am always the only person getting called out, even when other people do worse things. People like to claim there is a pattern where it is always my fault, even when the post history shows otherwise.

The more interesting pattern is why other bad behavior is routinely ignored in favor of focusing on me.

Who said i was talking about you?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't read anywhere it gets removed at 51? I'm assuming it just ramps up for a cap higher than 385.

Btw that softcap formula until 50... it says it is until 50 on the "statistics" wiki page but the source linked doesn't confirm this. I tried rereading haynar's posts to find a source for this and haven't found anything. Unless I'm brainfarting I don't think we know what "low level" is.

Also: later in the thread haynar goes on a rant about people saying AC was hardcapped while it wasn't, and didn't understand why people came to that conclusion. The recent parses in the ranger thread seemed to show mob level (atk proxi?) hardcapped player AC returns so I'm not sure what baffled haynar so much as to why players drew that conclusion. Is it possible that the mob hardcap was added later? Because that system probably negates the need for a softcap until you reach raiding

Sorry. To be clear, I am not implying I read "removed" specifically anywhere so far.

Haynar said the formula of level * 6 + 25 is for the "low levels'. This implies the formula stops getting used past "low levels". I don't know if this means a second formula takes over, or there is no formula at all past "low levels".

The section where he is talking about hardcaps is in reference to an Eashen fight if I understand correctly. So the level * 6 + 25 formula could still be a hardcap, as it wouldn't apply to an Eashen fight anyway. Everyone would be 60.

The main reason why I think the level * 6 +25 formula is a hardcap (aside from the wording) is because it doesn't make much sense as a softcap at low levels.

It looks like a Warrior can get like 500 worn AC. So that means a level 5 deleveled raid gear warrior would have 55 AC + 445 AC * 0.45 = 255 AC at level 5. That is clearly way too much AC even at level 5. A hardcap at low levels would at least keep the mobs from basically always rolling the lowest hit in this scenario.

But this should be easy enough to test. A level 5 Warrior should see the same result with 55 worn AC and like 200 worn AC.

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who said i was talking about you?

Name all the posters you were talking about! Sounds like it wasn't me then[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]