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Old 10-11-2021, 11:16 PM
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Lol my liberal co-worker is gonna love this, ty
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Old 10-11-2021, 11:47 PM
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Lol my liberal co-worker is gonna love this, ty

Yw. I'm being a dick. It's obvs wrong to judge a whole country on the basis of one building [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry if they become radical O.o
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Old 10-11-2021, 11:59 PM
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Yw. I'm being a dick. It's obvs wrong to judge a whole country on the basis of one building [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry if they become radical O.o
maybe not, but its pretty fair to judge north korea by this building: Ryugyong Hotel

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Old 10-12-2021, 12:14 AM
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Why have MAD when you can have SAD (Single hAnded Destruction) to use as a threat to take control of the worlds economy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57995185
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Old 10-12-2021, 12:47 AM
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https://www.quora.com/Is-homelessnes...-is-in-the-USA

A surprisingly good write up for that site.

In short, all societies deal with all these problems. Crime, corruption, poverty and exploitation. And if you were to look at them as God -- like playing a game a civilization -- they would seem a lot more alike then most people seem to realize.

It's called comparative politics. You can look at countries that did different things and see which one worked better. On homelessness in the north euro countries...citizens get welfare and simply don't need to beg. You don't see raggedy Swedish people with signs. But immigrants don't get welfare. So you will see some east euros begging.

Just go ahead and suggest to a politically average Swedish citizen that they adopt the American system of cutting these people off in the hopes they go out and uplift themselves. And go over the results the approach has...low wages for laborers! Slightly lower taxes! Mentally ill people eating out of trash cans until they die young!

See what kind of reactions you get. Sweden used to be a lot like us until the post war years. They are one of the only major capitalist powers that went with socialism to influence their government. It turns out that system is better for most workers. Its not better to start a business in. It's not better for low taxes. It's not better at radical innovation. So there are some trade offs.

But here's the thing: we aren't suggesting going full Sweden. In fact, UBI is a better solution here than it would be in Sweden for example. We don't have any of the union infrastructure, socialist values among the public, the kinds of skilled labor and machinery they use for it.

So its not really viable to fully copy Sweden. All we can do is see where are current system is coming up short in certain areas and modify it to improve the situation. UBI is the cop out -- and my guess is that will be marketed as the grand solution for capitalism ills. But really all it is is a way to bring people a little above subsistence again without changing anything else. Meanwhile the job pool shrinks.
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Old 10-12-2021, 12:54 AM
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What rights did Christ have when they beat him with metal hooks and made him carry his cross of suffocation to the hill of death.
All of them. He just chose not to exercise his might and powers so that we could learn and be saved and suffer with him. Imagine if he had gone full gozer velociraptor laz0r b33Mz. Imagine how many wouldn't have been saved.

I feel for him. And the fools that tortured him. Or think his example and life was meangless. Just because he bore that cross. If Jesus doesn't make you feel. Show you joy and God's will and move you to tears.. What can I say.
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Old 10-12-2021, 01:08 AM
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https://www.quora.com/Is-homelessnes...-is-in-the-USA

A surprisingly good write up for that site.

In short, all societies deal with all these problems. Crime, corruption, poverty and exploitation. And if you were to look at them as God -- like playing a game a civilization -- they would seem a lot more alike then most people seem to realize.

It's called comparative politics. You can look at countries that did different things and see which one worked better. On homelessness in the north euro countries...citizens get welfare and simply don't need to beg. You don't see raggedy Swedish people with signs. But immigrants don't get welfare. So you will see some east euros begging.

Just go ahead and suggest to a politically average Swedish citizen that they adopt the American system of cutting these people off in the hopes they go out and uplift themselves. And go over the results the approach has...low wages for laborers! Slightly lower taxes! Mentally ill people eating out of trash cans until they die young!

See what kind of reactions you get. Sweden used to be a lot like us until the post war years. They are one of the only major capitalist powers that went with socialism to influence their government. It turns out that system is better for most workers. Its not better to start a business in. It's not better for low taxes. It's not better at radical innovation. So there are some trade offs.

But here's the thing: we aren't suggesting going full Sweden. In fact, UBI is a better solution here than it would be in Sweden for example. We don't have any of the union infrastructure, socialist values among the public, the kinds of skilled labor and machinery they use for it.

So its not really viable to fully copy Sweden. All we can do is see where are current system is coming up short in certain areas and modify it to improve the situation. UBI is the cop out -- and my guess is that will be marketed as the grand solution for capitalism ills. But really all it is is a way to bring people a little above subsistence again without changing anything else. Meanwhile the job pool shrinks.
Poverty, mental illness, corruption, yes these all exist. You left off something. Substance abuse

It’s not what got all of them there but it’s what’s keeping a lot of them there. That is, if we are talking currently and not like for our country’s history. And giving them money isn’t going to fix that, might even make it worse. Just like all the money we’ve already thrown at homelessness without success

So while I find your concern completely genuine, I’m just not 100% on the method
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Old 10-12-2021, 01:12 AM
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there are too many varieties of Americans for me to allow UBI everyone in skandanavia is the same, but if joe bob gets UBI to buy meth and drive tractors off bridges then im gonna revolt.

and id rather we had our funny factions than try to game theory starvation when we have solved with our current system.

People forget that until factory farming starvation was a way bigger epidemic than it is today, but we just refuse to give credit to the empire.
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Old 10-12-2021, 01:19 AM
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I think he’s on the right track that one of the best ways to fight substance abuse is to “crowd it out”, and develop a schedule that prevents idle hands, which are the devil’s workshop for them

But the substance addicted ones won’t just start out functional for employment, you’d have to get them off their drug first. And if they continue to say no thanks I like the drug, then what? Is there a plan B?

If there was an easy solution to American homelessness we would have found it. I don’t think money is, but putting a recently-sober person on a tight schedule with a path to employment is a great start
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Old 10-12-2021, 01:27 AM
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We are headed down exactly the same tract as NK with our heavy dependence on chemicals and industrial fertilizers. We are just on a slow burn.

Millions of ppl die *suffer horrific slow very expensive deaths that make C-suite rich AF whilst draining tax funds and political or human capital in futile and fruitless gesturs* in America every year because they aren't free and can't feed themselves and they have easier access to drugs or herpes. Or whatever. So same problems. Less newsworthy and hospice gets facebookpoints.

It's objectively "less cruel" and shocking at face value. Yet most of you have absolutely no idea. Yes. Even the hardcorest psychos who macaquest feed off this system that leaves millions of anorexic, cancerous, obese and somehow simultaneously malnurished spiritually corrupt and godless except in name only corpses in its wake.

My first name is God's will. My second is look. And helper of the priest. You're all doomed. Turn away from sin.
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