religion

[paulgiamatti]

Capital punishment, something I'm very much opposed to, is indeed a point of contention among many free states, but these are small nuances. One psychopath who went on a killing spree being murdered by lethal injection is not the same thing as the oppression of an entire people based on religious creed or ethnicity.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it doesnt. Name two societies that have exact matching concepts of what it is to be moral. There arent two let alone hundreds. Why does Saudi Arabia law differ from US law for instance? Completely different concepts of what it is to be moral.

This is correct.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uh what? you want two separate cultures that do two separate things exactly the same, specifically mortality?

most agree you don't just kill a stranger because they called you names on a forum.

If they do, they are currently under an oppressive regime. But in that instance they don't let you use forums so one cancels the other out!

No but seriously, are you insane? All societies have evolved drastically similar across the globe with minor differences in laws because they laws are written by different people.

I don't know what side of the argument you stand on, hopefully you're on the god created everything side, because if you are, then its so easy to counter ague that laws are different because people are different therefore there is no one god creating law for all mankind.

Stop appealing to emotion and look at the argument for what it is. The claim was that "hundreds are exactly the same", the counter argument is "a few are similar though *insert ad-hominem*"? As a fellow secularist I find it insulting that you are neither thoughtful nor logical in the bulk of your responses.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The United States and Canada. Canada and the United Kingdom. Ireland and Scotland. Sweden and Finland. Every secular democracy in existence, every free state protected by the United Nations can easily come to a consensus on what constitutes good and evil.

Just because there are some countries which are indeed theocratic dictatorships lead by cruel and malevolent despots who oppress their women, spread toxic religious fundamentalism, subjugate free speech and murder their innocent civilians doesn't mean they deserve to operate under the pretense of morality. That would be an insult to every country which has fought so hard to uphold it.

Between the US and Canada, environmental laws, gun laws, religious expression laws. Those are just off the top of my head.
Canada to the UK. I'll give you a big one. In Canada circumcision is routine, in the UK (all of europe in fact) it's abhorrently immoral unless you're Muslim/Jewish.
Sweden and Finland are similar but neither are anything like the US or Canada.

I could keep going...

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is correct.

Stop appealing to emotion and look at the argument for what it is. The claim was that "hundreds are exactly the same", the counter argument is "a few are similar though *insert ad-hominem*"? As a fellow secularist I find it insulting that you are neither thoughtful nor logical in the bulk of your responses.




Between the US and Canada, environmental laws, gun laws, religious expression laws. Those are just off the top of my head.
Canada to the UK. I'll give you a big one. In Canada circumcision is routine, in the UK (all of europe in fact) it's abhorrently immoral unless you're Muslim/Jewish.
Sweden and Finland are similar but neither are anything like the US or Canada.

I could keep going...

kaga fuck your face and stop just saying the same dumb shit over and over again. Nobody likes you

[paulgiamatti]

Again, small nuances in comparison to the systematic oppression of people based on religious creed or ethnicity. Just because I can carry a gun in country A but not country B doesn't mean both countries can't come to a consensus on what constitutes genocide or what is considered evil and oppressive.

[paulgiamatti]

And I feel like we're getting a bit off track here. Just because some countries don't regard minor infractions like genital mutilation as immoral and reprehensible doesn't mean they are an immoral and reprehensible nation. I'm stressing the big issues here for good reason; they are the deciding issues in whether or not we can or should consider a nation as operating under any sense of morality.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is correct.

Stop appealing to emotion and look at the argument for what it is. The claim was that "hundreds are exactly the same", the counter argument is "a few are similar though *insert ad-hominem*"? As a fellow secularist I find it insulting that you are neither thoughtful nor logical in the bulk of your responses.




Between the US and Canada, environmental laws, gun laws, religious expression laws. Those are just off the top of my head.
Canada to the UK. I'll give you a big one. In Canada circumcision is routine, in the UK (all of europe in fact) it's abhorrently immoral unless you're Muslim/Jewish.
Sweden and Finland are similar but neither are anything like the US or Canada.

I could keep going...

This is so hypocritical. In earlier posts I pointed out examples and comparisons to exactly what someone claimed, and get torn apart for "I should apparently know what he means" or "I don't like your answer so I'm going to laugh" type responses. Now to validate your argument, you argue that you base your opinion off "exactly what he claims" and act like you don't know what he really means. This thread is just so out of hand with misinformation and people spewing out advice that they don't even take.

[Eliseus]

I've tried to stay out of the past few pages and just find the read interesting, but you guys are so fucking retarded it's mind boggling how much you contradict what you say or imply in other posts.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, small nuances in comparison to the systematic oppression of people based on religious creed or ethnicity. Just because I can carry a gun in country A but not country B doesn't mean both countries can't come to a consensus on what constitutes genocide or what is considered evil and oppressive.

Yes, some societies can agree on some points and come to a consensus. I in no way see how that negates the fact that every human on earth possesses a different sense of morality. Societies do what they see as their best interest and so do humans. It isnt surprising to see animals agreeing with each other to form a mutually beneficial pact. It is exactly what you would expect.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, some societies can agree on some points and come to a consensus. I in no way see how that negates the fact that every human on earth possesses a different sense of morality.

I'm not trying to negate that fact, but merely overshadow it with the bigger and more important issues. The smaller issues shouldn't be ignored, but they should be secondary to the larger and more pressing ones.

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Societies do what they see as their best interest and so do humans. It isnt surprising to see animals agreeing with each other to form a mutually beneficial pact. It is exactly what you would expect.

Completely agree.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

minor infractions like genital mutilation.

Lol really? No wonder the social justice warrior who thinks a cat call equals rape is agreeing with you. You're concept of morality is so warped there's no point in even discussing it.