End of the rotation?

[Man0warr]

1 hour engage means everyone has to camp out toons, track hard, and basically poopsock anyway

If you can't mobilize and kill any mob outside of VP within an hour with no competition, then your guild is completely fucked in a month or whatever Velious hits after Mischief is debugged.

That's the major thrust behind this. What are the small guilds going to do when the classes are gone? Better to figure it out now than later.

3 hour engages have made every Class R guild bad.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

You've left out <Idiots, Savages>

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think BDA doesn't go after FFA mobs due to competition with class C? or because they don't have the motivation/manpower?

It's mostly just a question of EV - if there is an FFA window that lines up well with our member's primetimes, we will track/log out for it.

We never poopsock for Trak/VS if Class C is involved though, we don't have the manpower (ie having 1-2 groups logged in poopsocking vs 1 tracker + 1 bard ready to FTE) to realistically compete with what Class C is willing to bring to bear.

[Ninjax]

BDA had largely been the seeming puppet of the smaller guilds and this resulted in a rotation that was created on their terms and served their purposes (getting loot). BDA has thankfully seen through this manipulation and proposed something that would actually reward competition and competence while still protecting a guild from having to poopsock.

The result was predictable. The smaller guilds who had claimed they were not in it for loot (while creating a rotation that gave them the more loot due to how alliances work) complained that this now gives them less loot while chastising BDA for wanting more loot. The hypocrisy is not lost even if some are deluding themselves about their motivations. This delusion goes so far as that some guilds have simply decided to pretend the former rotation is still in play and that not coming to terms with the offer on the table means that they will get perhaps 1/20th of the mobs they did before.

If this is what they desire then so be it, if this is what their reality-averse brains cannot begin to comprehend - so be it. Reality is a harsh mistress and cares not for what fantasies of how she operates you've constructed because they are comfortable to believe.

BDA, Taken, and Divinity shall rule class R as the Trinity. As it has been proclaimed so shall it be.

[Ninjax]

BDA had largely been the seeming puppet of the smaller guilds and this resulted in a rotation that was created on their terms and served their purposes (getting loot). BDA has thankfully seen through this manipulation and proposed something that would actually reward competition and competence while still protecting a guild from having to poopsock.

The result was predictable. The smaller guilds who had claimed they were not in it for loot (while creating a rotation that gave them the more loot due to how alliances work) complained that this now gives them less loot while chastising BDA for wanting more loot. The hypocrisy is not lost even if some are deluding themselves about their motivations. This delusion goes so far as that some guilds have simply decided to pretend the former rotation is still in play and that not coming to terms with the offer on the table means that they will get perhaps 1/20th of the mobs they did before.

If this is what they desire then so be it, if this is what their reality-averse brains cannot begin to comprehend - so be it. Reality is a harsh mistress and cares not for what fantasies of how she operates you've constructed because they are comfortable to believe.

BDA, Taken, and Divinity shall rule class R as the Trinity. As it has been proclaimed so shall it be.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't mobilize and kill any mob outside of VP within an hour with no competition, then your guild is completely fucked in a month or whatever Velious hits after Mischief is debugged.

We at The A-Team plan to not suck in Velious. We are building up our guild by recruiting, killing targets on Velious beta, and preparing to do FFA targets against real competition.

Our plan does not including squeezing the R rotation.

[Tiggles]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

Originally Posted by Anonymous Taken Officer

I pointed this out in FAP that BDA had been mostly siding with the smaller guilds and that the only real power they had was the social manipulation in which they appealed to image. This has now failed with BDA and as such there is no power broker on their side. They have no cards left to play so it is is either work within the limits the big three want or find out how quickly you won't get anything because although we don't want to sock hard - we will if pushed. I think our trak kill was a good demonstration of that where we socked 77 people for 6+ hours on a mob that was ours by rotation. We didn't need to - but we did and we can do that again and again and again and again.

I think some really don't understand what not having a rotation would mean for them because it is an issue of convenience for us but an issue of necessity for them.

[Man0warr]

Then I don't see why you have issues with tighter engage windows if you are serious about raiding in Velious with zero engage window guaranteed.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

That's not from anyone in Taken. The coherent sentences are a dead give away.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I don't see why you have issues with tighter engage windows if you are serious about raiding in Velious with zero engage window guaranteed.

Our last trakanon kill took 1:20 from when he spawned. Of that, 20 minutes was spent tracking/sending out the batphone (because we don't want our people glued to the screen there), 20 minutes getting people tidy up whatever they were doing in RL and log on, 20 minutes mobilizing, and 20 minutes killing Trakanon and his guards.

So reducing that to 1 hour primarily involves tracking harder, logging on instantly, and camping out accounts. We would basically be doing the same amount of work as FFA anyway.