ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE) - Page 64

Sirken · #1 02-08-2014, 07:29 PM

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I've been doing some thinking about Arya. In "A Dance With Dragons" we learn she will be entering an apprenticeship with Izembaro to become a Faceless Man.

Anyone have a theory about who she will eventually be killing? I believe it will be someone of importance to the story. Might want to put on your tinfoil hats now...

I think she will eventually be the one who will kill Littlefinger so she can save Sansa. It's just an idea. Might be crazy, but I think a little crazy is ok in this thread. To me it seems obvious that her path will become important somehow most likely by killing someone of importance. I just can't guess who or how with certainty. I just believe she will do anything to bring her family (pack) back together again. Ned did tell her that the lone wolf will die, but the pack will survive.

No matter how petty and immature Sansa and Arya were at one point, they have both grown up fast because of everything that happened with their family. They will need each other.

i have a strong belief that Arya can not become a faceless until she completely lets go of herself as "Arya" and sadly the fact that she's hidden needle away means she has not yet fulfilled that requirement to become a faceless. maybe it wont matter, but maybe she'll just learn some skills and head back to westeros on her own. Arya can go so many different ways. hell, at this point i really wouldnt be shocked if Arya ended up with Dany (and probably Tyrion by then as well). but assuming you're right and she ends up as a faceless, i could see her being assigned to Aegon as he poses problems for quite a few people's happy endings being Rhaegar's oldest son. Should Aegon be an imposter (like has happened a few times in english history dating back to 1066AD), then he wouldn't need to be killed. but honestly i see her leaving that organization and using her skills elsewhere. thats kinda what Arya does, she goes somewhere and learns some shit and then moves on to the next place, and has never really settled down to one spot, i expect that to continue. i wouldn't be shocked if she slew some boltons/freys. i would however be very shocked if Arya did not reunite with her family (Jon Sansa Bran Rickon) at some point.

as far as littlefinger, i have to flat out disagree with you on him being slewn by Arya. the littlefinger/sansa thing is shaping up perfectly as a situation where the apprentice will slay the teacher. Eventually as Sansa keeps learning from Baelish, she will see how hes using her, and she will be his undoing, and hopefully it'll will be the beginning of a stronger Sansa thats willing to do what needs to be done for the good of herself and whats left of her family.

Mandalore93 · #2 01-28-2014, 01:03 PM

Back to Varys...idk Sirken. Just the way how the language plays out not only from that chapter but more importantly from chapter 32 (Arya PoV) where the two men in the sewers are talking and Illyrio calls Varys a wizard several times. But more importantly is the conversation where Ned talks to Arya about it. In the conversation he mocks everything she tells him as a fairy tale which all turns out to be true. In fact, if Varys turns out to be non-magical that would make her story the only untrue thing. I just think it's odd how Martin would word those exchanges the way he did since he seems to get erections over that kind of triple cross.

Sirken · #3 02-01-2014, 05:52 AM

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Back to Varys...idk Sirken. Just the way how the language plays out not only from that chapter but more importantly from chapter 32 (Arya PoV) where the two men in the sewers are talking and Illyrio calls Varys a wizard several times. But more importantly is the conversation where Ned talks to Arya about it. In the conversation he mocks everything she tells him as a fairy tale which all turns out to be true. In fact, if Varys turns out to be non-magical that would make her story the only untrue thing. I just think it's odd how Martin would word those exchanges the way he did since he seems to get erections over that kind of triple cross.

im going to reread this chapter just for you :P i really dont think varys has magic, although i wouldnt rule out magical objects as we know him and Illyrio were thieves together on their youths. but im gonna do it

Sidelle · #4 02-01-2014, 02:08 PM

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Back to Varys...idk Sirken. Just the way how the language plays out not only from that chapter but more importantly from chapter 32 (Arya PoV) where the two men in the sewers are talking and Illyrio calls Varys a wizard several times. But more importantly is the conversation where Ned talks to Arya about it. In the conversation he mocks everything she tells him as a fairy tale which all turns out to be true. In fact, if Varys turns out to be non-magical that would make her story the only untrue thing. I just think it's odd how Martin would word those exchanges the way he did since he seems to get erections over that kind of triple cross.

I can see how you might consider this theory about Varys. I've been rereading the 1st book and when Catelyn arrives in KL (Ned PoV) she mentions to Ned that Varys must have some "dark art" and that he must have a "way of learning things that no man could know". This could be easily explained though if Catelyn knew about all the secrets of the Red Keep; clandestine hideaways and passages all over the place that no one else knows about - all the better to spy with.

But when you consider the conversation between him and Illyrio (overheard by Arya) I thought it sounded more like Illyrio is referring to him as a "wizard" not due to literal magic but because he is the Master of Whisperers - and he is a "true wizard" when it comes to juggling the situation between the high lords and delaying an outbreak of war. Illyrio was basically imploring him to stall more because Khal Drogo was not ready to move forward with the promise he made to help Viserys win the iron throne; he would not want to make a move until after Dany gave birth. The war coming too soon just makes a mess out of all their plotting.

Also, remember that Varys hates sorcery because of what happened to him in his childhood with the sorcerer and how he became a eunuch (I forgot which book this was disclosed in). The only magic he uses is Spider magic. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mandalore93 · #5 02-01-2014, 03:12 PM

Yes, that's the way that it's supposed to sound like Siddelle. But the fact that it's used initially in a mocking way then further mocked by dumb Lord Stark that makes me double think it.

Sidelle · #6 02-01-2014, 03:28 PM

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Yes, that's the way that it's supposed to sound like Siddelle. But the fact that it's used initially in a mocking way then further mocked by dumb Lord Stark that makes me double think it.

I believe the reason Ned was so skeptical and mocking is because of how Arya was explaining it. She didn't understand everything she overheard, being the child she still is at this point. The only thing she knew was that her father was in danger so when she blurted out the story it wasn't making sense to Ned so he dismissed it (yes indeed, very dumb. Poor Ned. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

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…that makes me double think it.

Lol I'm always doing this about lots of things. It's what makes this series such a good story and fun to discuss. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mandalore93 · #7 02-01-2014, 04:03 PM

I'm now well past this point in my listening but I almost want to say there was a direct comparison between dragons and wizards when Ned speaks which gave me pause. Which might very well be an "in general" hint about what will happen in the series in regards to dragons and magic I suppose.

Sidelle · #8 02-01-2014, 09:07 PM

The "white walkers" invade. Winter needs a hero.

A Rogue kicks some ass

Valar Snowghulis - all snowmen must die.

Tenlaar · #9 02-05-2014, 05:26 PM

I remember reading a thread on the Westeros boards about this. I don't remember the passage from the book myself, but apparently the council of duders that handle the contracts for the Faceless Men will not send the assassins after people they knew in their first lives. That said, I think it's very likely that Arya will finish her training and then be all "Fuck ya'll, I'm outie" for one reason or another.

One thing that was brought up though, is that Arya knows Sansa - she doesn't know Alayne Stone. So there is theoretical potential for her to be sent after Alayne Stone, find out it's Sansa in trouble, kill Littlefinger. That could be how and why she ends up leaving the Faceless Men.

Sidelle · #10 02-05-2014, 08:49 PM

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I remember reading a thread on the Westeros boards about this. I don't remember the passage from the book myself, but apparently the council of duders that handle the contracts for the Faceless Men will not send the assassins after people they knew in their first lives. That said, I think it's very likely that Arya will finish her training and then be all "Fuck ya'll, I'm outie" for one reason or another.

One thing that was brought up though, is that Arya knows Sansa - she doesn't know Alayne Stone. So there is theoretical potential for her to be sent after Alayne Stone, find out it's Sansa in trouble, kill Littlefinger. That could be how and why she ends up leaving the Faceless Men.

Interesting. Gonna try digging up this thread you speak of. I usually try not to read these conspiracy threads anymore because they make my brain hurt. Lol.

But here I go, anyway. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]