sk starting points

[Troxx]

What buffs would you recommend dropping for maniacal str stack with focus as a Sk?

Would you consolidate 3 buffs into one for Aegolsim? Then you lose mana regen from PoTG. For the sake of 20int worth of mana?

Would you skip the ac as a tank? I’d hope not.

Would you drop your instaclick buffs be damned?

The hp from stamina or DS?

Would you skip resist buffs altogether?

Would you fill up your buff bar fully making it impossible to receive a torpor or celestial elixir?

Would you drop the CoP or Avatar? Surely not.

Go without the haste?

Skip the c2 for 20int worth of mana pool?


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There are a lot of really important buffs a raiding hybrid will ideally want all the time. All of which are a heck of a lot more important than a tiny bit larger mana pool.

Thankfully on my warrior I can save buff space by using aegolism instead of the triumvirate. I also can skip on the c2. I will stack dex and focus for 255 dex and max procs and thankfully focus alone gets me to 253 str.

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Keep on moving the goalposts without providing practical realistic examples of how 25-35 low end mana pool extra vs 80-200 high end mana pool is going to make “the difference”

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What buffs would you recommend dropping for maniacal str stack with focus as a Sk?

Would you consolidate 3 buffs into one for Aegolsim? Then you lose mana regen from PoTG. For the sake of 20int worth of mana?

Would you skip the ac as a tank? I’d hope not.

Would you drop your instaclick buffs be damned?

The hp from stamina or DS?

Would you skip resist buffs altogether?

Would you fill up your buff bar fully making it impossible to receive a torpor or celestial elixir?

Would you drop the CoP or Avatar? Surely not.

Go without the haste?

Skip the c2 for 20int worth of mana pool?


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There are a lot of really important buffs a raiding hybrid will ideally want all the time. All of which are a heck of a lot more important than a tiny bit larger mana pool.

Thankfully on my warrior I can save buff space by using aegolism instead of the triumvirate. I also can skip on the c2. I will stack dex and focus for 255 dex and max procs and thankfully focus alone gets me to 253 str.

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Keep on moving the goalposts without providing practical realistic examples of how 25-35 low end mana pool extra vs 80-200 high end mana pool is going to make “the difference”

I am not moving any goalposts. You really need to learn what this means. You yourself mentioned FoS and Avatar. Remember? Unless you are suggesting dropping one of those buffs, a naked Iksar is at 247 STR and 245 DEX with those two buffs alone.

As a buffing class, I have had plenty of people ask for STR + STA + DEX + FoS. I've raided in top guilds for years. You can keep trying to claim that people don't take the STR or DEX buff on raids, but it is factually untrue.

[Troxx]

Str/focus stack are only possible when there is a 60
Shaman available. The same is true for avatar unless you have a ST key.


These are not situations a new leveling iksar sk who wants to play around with will have access to at all for most of their time playing eq.

Ps: I do feel like an idiot for putting avatar in the 12 buff example because that alone will cap the str. But even then how many shamans will be putting avatar on the sk when there are much more suitable targets (rogues, monks, rangers, warriors) around in need who would benefit more.

By the time a sk can self buff avatar with a weapon proc, they are no longer relevant to this discussion. They are or are approaching the whole “gonna have BiS gear”

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Str/focus stack are only possible when there is a 60
Shaman available. The same is true for avatar unless you have a ST key.

You do realize you were talking about raid buffing, right? You will almost always have a Shaman available, unless you are a small/casual guild. In the case you are fighting easy targets anyway.

[Toxigen]

It only took 65 pages but we got there boys.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It only took 65 pages but we got there boys.

I see you still havent addressed these points:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=628

I can only assume you have conceded. Any other reasons why you think STR is the better starting stat, or do you agree with me now that INT is the best starting stat?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It only took 65 pages but we got there boys.

Yep. Thread is over.

Move along.

[Toxigen]

CONCEDE YOUR FTE

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CONCEDE YOUR FTE

Thank you for conceding. You are unable to refute my points.

[Troxx]

I’m pretty sure that conceding requires a concession by the party that is conceding. Thus far I have not seen evidence that a concession has been conceded by the conceding party to actually concede.

You need to provide factual evidence to prove that the conceding party has offered a concession.

Or you can concede that no concession has yet occurred.

I await your evidence.

PS: please include your logs