BDA to Phinigel

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Daldean why is threat fucking retarded on Phinny?

It's not retarded it's just different. Rampage is truly retarded though, that shit never acts right.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Daldean why is threat fucking retarded on Phinny?

Depends on the point in the game.

Basically Live factors in a few things into aggro. Proximity to target and the mobs total HP pool are enormous factors. That's why at low levels, aggro is basically not a thing and proximity is most all that matters (mobs have no HP).

Torven did some rather extensive testing on all this shit. If you want to better understand Phinigels aggro his parses should explain it.

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39819

As far as Rampage goes... my understanding is there are two major issues people come upon when it goes outside of what they would expect. The later of the two I'm unsure if it is still a thing on Live code but I think it is:

Distance - Basically Rampage will select based on time on hatelist but if you outrange it, it will pick the next entity in range. It however can get fucky and hit you very far out of range if you're the only other person on hatelist.

Voids - Basically when the Rampage list is created, it sets an order. However if one of those entities is cleared from the hatelist (death, feign death, fade, zoning, charm, etc.), then a void is left in the list in that position. If for example the Rampage tank dies 30 seconds in and at that point a wizard starts nuking they may fill in that void in the rampage list. This is also why many people claimed that Rampage could not be cleared via death nor zoning in the old 2001 posts about it. People would leave a void on death, get a Rez, and get back on the hatelist and instantly be back in their old position. This assumes no new entity got added to the hatelist from the time the rampage tank dies to the time they are rezzed or the wizard gets on the hatelist.

--Unsure if the Void thing is still active, it definitely was during PoP and on Al'Kabor. I bet that's something we could easily test with 3 people though. I'm pretty sure it's still a thing though.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on the point in the game.

Basically Live factors in a few things into aggro. Proximity to target and the mobs total HP pool are enormous factors. That's why at low levels, aggro is basically not a thing and proximity is most all that matters (mobs have no HP).

Torven did some rather extensive testing on all this shit. If you want to better understand Phinigels aggro his parses should explain it.

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39819

As far as Rampage goes... my understanding is there are two major issues people come upon when it goes outside of what they would expect. The later of the two I'm unsure if it is still a thing on Live code but I think it is:

Distance - Basically Rampage will select based on time on hatelist but if you outrange it, it will pick the next entity in range. It however can get fucky and hit you very far out of range if you're the only other person on hatelist.

Voids - Basically when the Rampage list is created, it sets an order. However if one of those entities is cleared from the hatelist (death, feign death, fade, zoning, charm, etc.), then a void is left in the list in that position. If for example the Rampage tank dies 30 seconds in and at that point a wizard starts nuking they may fill in that void in the rampage list. This is also why many people claimed that Rampage could not be cleared via death nor zoning in the old 2001 posts about it. People would leave a void on death, get a Rez, and get back on the hatelist and instantly be back in their old position. This assumes no new entity got added to the hatelist from the time the rampage tank dies to the time they are rezzed or the wizard gets on the hatelist.

--Unsure if the Void thing is still active, it definitely was during PoP and on Al'Kabor. I bet that's something we could easily test with 3 people though. I'm pretty sure it's still a thing though.

Thanks. I'll read up on that. And yes - that explains exactly what I was seeing. I can have 6 mobs on me at level 25 with nothing but social aggro in 5 of them and some dildo could ae the whole pack without issue.

But then the cleric sits and gets face fucked.

lul

[Fifield]

Yeah the proximity aggro gets my pet killed alot in groups when monks pull with nothing but a throwing dagger, mob comes into camp and hits first target in sight, usually a pet.

If i pull with bst slow they will run right by the pet and attack me.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

65 wizard aggro is FUCKING AIDS.

Sucks to sucks. I still think you have SCS disabled or some shit.

[khanable]

Yeah I was able to deduce the proximity aspect.. stood closer and tried to make sure shit wasn't in the path of the mob on inc

Everything else was fuckery and black magic though

[Daldaen]

Once you're level 50-60 it stop being black magic and makes more sense.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I was able to deduce the proximity aspect.. stood closer and tried to make sure shit wasn't in the path of the mob on inc

Everything else was fuckery and black magic though

Tanks will never stop complaining about aggro issues, every group they are in someone is pulling 'their' aggro hehe.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

65 wizard aggro is FUCKING AIDS.

So we did Tallon for the first time last night. Had an SK tanking dumping tons of aggro in. Wizards start DPS at like 75%, one wizard nuke, dead wizards lol. So dumb.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shh. Much better being a ranger and accidentally auto firing across a zone and pulling a train.

Then proceeding to make the mobs I root Summon because you don't turn off your autofire.

@Chest, I assume you're talking Vallon? Tallon doesnt summon in Tactics. The Rallos script one does I guess though.