Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that isn't factually correct. It wasn't MY version. Someone editing a page does not suddenly mean all the content in it is "their version". It just means they made a fucking edit, and that's why there is edit history, instead of a new page being created every time someone makes an edit.

Just because you don't understand file versioning, it doesn't change the facts. When a codebase is forked and some changes are made, everybody understands you didn't create the entire codebase you forked from. You took the existing codebase and made some changes. Factually you are wrong, and will continue to be wrong, even if this thread reaches 500 pages.

[Samoht]

I'll take that as a yes

[Summers_Light]

so now anyone that doesnt agree with you is an alt acct? why does anyone even engage with you still at this point

[Zuranthium]

Feel free to talk on discord if you want. Your writing sounds like another forum user.

[Duik]

Holy fuck.

I so glad i tapped out.

Ohh boy, that's some weather we are having isn't it?

[Snaggles]

Fact is Aego is pretty easy to count with wort clicks, as is Focus, etc (ps: it’s not many). A raid buffed mend vs unbuffed one is can be figured out with a calculator.

Stuff like a Slowstone Amber or puppet strings are WAY more difficult to count in wort clicks. None of which Sscalez used.

Until another melee puts down the king in a similar fashion or unbuffed with a few worts this thread is over. Presuming you believe in logic.

[Goregasmic]

Best solution would probably be not to "hard grade" kill quality and basically go "solo buffs only" for all kills since it is the easiest frame of reference and if you stepped out of that, just specify what you used. The goal is not to diminish people's achievements but to have a frame of reference for further attempts.

If a necro manages to solo.... trakanon but raid buffed, doesn't make it any less of a fucking crazy kill, just disclose how it went down. For melees, even gear setup and/or overall stats could be interesting to disclose if you're killing stuff at the limit of what is possible so people can have a general idea of what was going on at the time.

[Duik]

If i could kill a boss like this (I cant) based on this shitshow I'd just not even fucking mention it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best solution would probably be not to "hard grade" kill quality and basically go "solo buffs only" for all kills since it is the easiest frame of reference and if you stepped out of that, just specify what you used. The goal is not to diminish people's achievements but to have a frame of reference for further attempts.

If a necro manages to solo.... trakanon but raid buffed, doesn't make it any less of a fucking crazy kill, just disclose how it went down. For melees, even gear setup and/or overall stats could be interesting to disclose if you're killing stuff at the limit of what is possible so people can have a general idea of what was going on at the time.

I agree with this, so much. The point of the original solo artist challenge was to have fun and encourage people to solo challenging targets ... not to have a bunch of forum nerds pick apart attempts, making people feel:

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If i could kill a boss like this (I cant) based on this shitshow I'd just not even fucking mention it.

I do still think having "rankings" would be nice, but A) no one can agree on what exactly those ranks should be, and B) if we're being honest, rankings need to depend on class (an Enchanter soloing something is not the same thing as a Shadow Knight soloing that same mob).

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with this, so much. The point of the original solo artist challenge was to have fun and encourage people to solo challenging targets ... not to have a bunch of forum nerds pick apart attempts, making people feel:

I do still think having "rankings" would be nice, but A) no one can agree on what exactly those ranks should be, and B) if we're being honest, rankings need to depend on class (an Enchanter soloing something is not the same thing as a Shadow Knight soloing that same mob).

Like I said, I really would like to see a good ranking system (ie. one that addresses classes, and that everyone agrees on) ... but until one exists, I don't see how people imposing their rankings on others make things better.

After Samoht and Zuranthium edited the wiki and changed the ranks and rules just to criticize and lower my kill, I wasn't even going to post the No Charge Kill video. But then Zuranthium took the liberty to post MY video anyways, just to tear down the kills even more. Not only did he completely change all of the ranks, but also he conveniently just happened to place a "buff limit" of TWO whole buffs to be eligible for his "buffed" rank, knowing that I had 3 buffs for the kill. So a kill which had NEVER been done before is suddenly somehow barely even good enough for his new lowest rank possible.

This guy Zuranthium doesn't even play EQ anymore by his own admission. And the Solo Artist Challenge has been around for over a decade... kinda funny how he never gave 2 shits about it at all until I posted a video soloing the King, and now he's on a crusade to impose his own rules and rankings, which will prevent any melee character from ever competing for the top rank kills. Gee, I wonder why he cares all of a sudden, after not doing or saying shit about it for the last 10+ years. But nooo, he's not doing any of this out of pettiness or spite, right?

The equivalent of a chanter (or any caster) killing with only self buffs, is a melee killing with no consumables. If people cannot understand that, then they clearly have never played a melee at end game, much less tried to solo anything challenging with it.

The challenge should award ranks based on the difficulty of the kill. This kill was at the very top of that difficulty ladder (hence why it had never been done before). How Zuranthium can claim that it deserves a lower rank (not just slightly lower, he gave it the LOWEST rank possible) than the 5 different chanters that have done with it relative ease is beyond me, and makes absolutely zero sense.