Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[salimoneus]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think that just owned any argument anyone ever had that training was ignored when reported on live. They made specific rules just for it. Rogean has said however that this server doesn't have the same Play-nice Policy as live. However, I think it is time to look at it for this server. Especially with the population growing and only going to grow more with the release of Velious. It was never a part of EQ as people remember it (If you did it on live and got away with it count yourself lucky a GM didn't catch ya).

People were not allowed to police zones with trains against each other. Accidental trains always happened because no one is perfect... But intentional training when discovered by GMs was punished. It is time to make this a punishable offense in all zones.

You guys can go on and on all day long over and over about how it was on live, but again it's completely irrelevant. This ain't live, they don't have the resources that Sony did to police every zone. Ain't gonna happen.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your initial comment on this thread is unnecessary and offers nothing aside from trollbait, in my opinion. You don't play here anymore by your own admission, so whats your interest in this thread?

Aside from trolling it that is.

My initial response is brutally honest based on my past experiences with Zeelot, which is better than 90% of the server (including some TMO members).

Zeelot is a nice guy, but when it comes to crushing his foes unmercifully he's going to do it. The only way it won't happen is if he decides to let another guild come in that he likes and wants to build them up.

My comments toward Getsome, are just that, comments to him.

My interest is the same as it always has been, to see the rest of p99 stop wasting their time on the forums and do something about it in game. Sirken even said the same thing (head gm), Rogean stated it probably wasn't going to change, it could, but would probably take Sirken wanting it along with other staff members (because they have to deal with all the bullshit that comes with policing the zone), and finally there is Zeelot who most people already know what he's about.

You guys keep posting this, hoping that you'll get your way and other people (including me) keep posting on these hoping that you'll do what needs to be done.

Let me put it to you like this. Ele is one of the biggest advocates in TMO for fair play and general happiness towards others, he is one of the nicest people in tmo, and he can't get Zeelot to change his ways (he isn't the only one either).

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My initial response is brutally honest based on my past experiences with Zeelot, which is better than 90% of the server (including some TMO members).

Zeelot is a nice guy, but when it comes to crushing his foes unmercifully he's going to do it. The only way it won't happen is if he decides to let another guild come in that he likes and wants to build them up.

My comments toward Getsome, are just that, comments to him.

My interest is the same as it always has been, to see the rest of p99 stop wasting their time on the forums and do something about it in game. Sirken even said the same thing (head gm), Rogean stated it probably wasn't going to change, it could, but would probably take Sirken wanting it along with other staff members (because they have to deal with all the bullshit that comes with policing the zone), and finally there is Zeelot who most people already know what he's about.

You guys keep posting this, hoping that you'll get your way and other people (including me) keep posting on these hoping that you'll do what needs to be done.

Let me put it to you like this. Ele is one of the biggest advocates in TMO for fair play and general happiness towards others, he is one of the nicest people in tmo, and he can't get Zeelot to change his ways (he isn't the only one either).

Most people that play this game are adults and have 0 interest in doing "what needs to be done" when it involves training/ruining other's gameplay on an emulated EverQuest server.

I personally am more than happy to not partake in the bullshit, so I don't. I have no interest in sinking to the same level as other man-children on a 14 year old video game.

That doesn't mean we can't converse and make threads like logical, reasonable adults to try to promote healthy changes and seek clarification on why things are the way they are. Step back and understand that not every thread is whining about "boohoo I don't get loots" because that's the way some people interpret this type of thing because its ALL they think about. Some people are more worried about classicness/fairness than who gets what.

Wanting griefing to stop and things to be classic has nothing to with caring about raid mobs or loot, and has everything to do with wanting to do what's best for the server, both immediately and in the long run.

Wish Zeelot's/others intentions were the same. As you so clearly stated, some people only care about "crushing his foes unmercifully". Fuck those people who gives a shit about them and their play experience? Sony sure didn't. http://i.imgur.com/UO4kuuE.jpg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[timhutton]

That highlighted paragraph basically defines people like Zeelot/Scerix to the letter. If I weren't so lazy and it wasn't so obvious I would search for instances where Zeelot has claimed things like "The sleeper will not be woken and I will train everyone who tries" or in this very thread where Scerix says he will continue to train anyone who steps foot inside VP.

People like that don't deserve to be allowed to play this game. It's unfortunate that not only are they allowed to, but the GMs don't mind as Sony used to. Sad state of affairs.

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by salimoneus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys can go on and on all day long over and over about how it was on live, but again it's completely irrelevant. This ain't live, they don't have the resources that Sony did to police every zone. Ain't gonna happen.

Not that I'm high enough level to even worry about Veeshan's Peak, but I'm curious as to how much in resources would be required on the GM's part. On other private servers of all sorts, GM's aren't expected to police zones or be available 24/7. When players exploit or harass other players, Fraps recordings are all that's needed to put an issue forward. It's what those servers rely on for stating a case and offering solid proof. Hence, the work load is largely placed on the players instead of the GM's.

Why is it different here?

[quido]

I like how that policy thing distinguishes real world racial slurs from in-game ones lol

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that I'm high enough level to even worry about Veeshan's Peak, but I'm curious as to how much in resources would be required on the GM's part. On other private servers of all sorts, GM's aren't expected to police zones or be available 24/7. When players exploit or harass other players, Fraps recordings are all that's needed to put an issue forward. It's what those servers rely on for stating a case and offering solid proof. Hence, the work load is largely placed on the players instead of the GM's.

Why is it different here?

It's the same, but it still requires staff to review the "tapes" and then make a judgement call based on that alone.

The way it is now, players can just solve their own issues and go about their business leaving the volunteer staff to tend to the bulk of the server's population.

Less stress for Staff = staff last longer. The server's history is littered with staff becoming too involved with the endgame and ultimately ending up with staff quitting/fired.

p99 is probably more peaceful now than it has ever been, both staff wise and player wise.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people that play this game are adults and have 0 interest in doing "what needs to be done" when it involves training/ruining other's gameplay on an emulated EverQuest server.

I personally am more than happy to not partake in the bullshit, so I don't. I have no interest in sinking to the same level as other man-children on a 14 year old video game.

That doesn't mean we can't converse and make threads like logical, reasonable adults to try to promote healthy changes and seek clarification on why things are the way they are. Step back and understand that not every thread is whining about "boohoo I don't get loots" because that's the way some people interpret this type of thing because its ALL they think about. Some people are more worried about classicness/fairness than who gets what.

Wanting griefing to stop and things to be classic has nothing to with caring about raid mobs or loot, and has everything to do with wanting to do what's best for the server, both immediately and in the long run.

Wish Zeelot's/others intentions were the same. As you so clearly stated, some people only care about "crushing his foes unmercifully". Fuck those people who gives a shit about them and their play experience? Sony sure didn't. http://i.imgur.com/UO4kuuE.jpg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people that play aren't able to get into VP now, or even in the next several months (even if they got what they wanted from this thread). They are a long way off from being able to raid that zone and have a great deal of gearing up to do. Perhaps most people should take it one step at a time and stop putting the buggy ahead of the horse.

There has never been a better time to raid on p99, if you think things are harder now than back when IB/DA were running around... you haven't been around very long or have had your head in the sand.

What's best for the server is determined by Rogean and Nilbog, followed by Sirken and his minions. They already stated they would need compelling evidence to chance what is in place and have deemed, so far, that the rules in place are what is best for the server. Looking at how things were prior to VP and how they have been after, I would say they are correct.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people that play aren't able to get into VP now, or even in the next several months (even if they got what they wanted from this thread). They are a long way off from being able to raid that zone and have a great deal of gearing up to do. Perhaps most people should take it one step at a time and stop putting the buggy ahead of the horse.

There has never been a better time to raid on p99, if you think things are harder now than back when IB/DA were running around... you haven't been around very long or have had your head in the sand.

What's best for the server is determined by Rogean and Nilbog, followed by Sirken and his minions. They already stated they would need compelling evidence to chance what is in place and have deemed, so far, that the rules in place are what is best for the server. Looking at how things were prior to VP and how they have been after, I would say they are correct.

Rules are relevant to all players on the server, regardless of whether or not they are ready to raid VP. Everybody has a stake in making this server as fair and as classic as possible, not just the 2 or 3 guilds that care about raiding VP.

What do you mean by "harder"? Obviously Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken are calling the shots, which is exactly why this thread exists, to attempt to get questions answered and hold meaninful discussions.

[Llodd]

Rotations are the only way that other guilds that don't want to descend to the training level will see vp. Unfortunately staff refuse that, which is fair enough. And TMO, currently, have no interest in that.

I think it would be extremely good for the server if TMO would atleast consider opening up VP to other guilds on a rare basis. Say once every quarter (4 months) or something similar, just as a goodwill measure towards the servers community. They would still get to keep their phatlewts and any guild that genuinley wants to try and raid there more often they could still train the shit out of.