Wow player looking for more of a challenge

[Myth]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hang on im having ALOT of problems with trying to get the game fullscreen and the proper resolution

I can see this being a huge pain in the ass for a new-to-EQ player. There are two option screens; One is on the main menu and the other is in-game (ALT+O). There is also a "windowed resolution" setting that you will need to set. You can do it all from within the game, or you can edit the eqclient.ini file.

[Cippofra]

The punishments for death is definitely not insignificant. You don't make tons of gold in WoW without trade skills or dailies. And when you're going for top tier end game content, you die over and over and over for hours. Because you're tackling those easy DDR follow the instructions heroic 25 man raids of course. Eventually you have to find the time to make up that gold you've been losing. Just like in EQ, where you get a rez or gain back the experience, which takes time. It should also be noted that dying in EQ really only happens because you're trying to find ways to circumvent the amount of time it takes to level. Wiping on raids over and over typically doesn't happen, because you have twice the number of people necessary to take it. There's no strategy to learn because the universal strategy is CH main tank while 100 people spank boss.

[Samoht]

we've had 15 years to learn the strats for EQ, it only takes 1 or two attempts to get it down for wow, so...

and raiding in EQ isn't just stand at point A and DPS the boss. you have to refresh your click buffs when dispelled. you have to wear the appropriate gear for the appropriate boss (remember, they took this part out of wow because it was too hard). all of the DPS has to move together and attack from the same side to get a push in to interrupt boss heals (wow doesn't even have character collision!).

wow raiding is trivial with the addition of boss mod add-ons and class timers that tell you exactly what to click and when to click it. eq raiding is made trivial not by reducing the difficulty or the gear requirement, but simply by the ability to overrun the boss. but you still had to get there. wow raids started removing trash from raid instances or drastically reducing it starting as far back as blackwing lair.

then you have things like the coldain shawl quests, omg real tradeskills

[heartbrand]

Heroic Wow so ez that's why only 10 guilds have heroic throne of thunder on farm status, cuz after all, all you need to do is mash buttons and have DBM installed. Lol?

[Stinkum]

Welcome to EQ!

As a tip, it is highly encouraged to use /ooc and /shout on EQ the same way as you would chatting in The Barrens in WoW. You might even want to make a hotkey macro of some Chuck Norris jokes for this very purpose.

[August]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US-Chromaggus Phenomenom, transferred from BH to chromag for wotlk and then back to BH for cata, friends kept moving/quitting



yes, server was falling a part, and they were running out of DPS, so they recruited the top rogue on the server (me)



so this is why you're glorifying wow raiding. there's nothing mechanic driven about moving out of bombs and kiting the fire in a zig-zag pattern on 25m firefighter, sorry. like i said before, it's just more ddr/guitar hero mechanics. and 1 light? did you never get 0?

hell, mods did 99% of the fight for you, especially the one that graphically drew directions in-game before they outlawed it in the API.

Mods today don't really show you what mods were like back in the day. I remember DBM and Recount as early as MC, but the best they could do is play that alert sound. My guild was world-horde (legit - i know people griefed the fight and got banned) first Magmadar kill and it took a very specific strategy to get him down. It was 3 AM CST when it happened after raiding for 7 hours on the same boss. The next week they nerfed the entirety of MC and the floodgates opened. That was the beginning of the end - they wanted people to see the content they created, not reserve it for the select few who could get past Lucifron & Magmadar.

Any encounter that takes 50+ tries before you get it right is pretty difficult. EQ didn't have this in classic - the penalty for dying was so large, and CR took so long, you couldn't imagine it. However, even raiding as late as cataclysm I know it took us at least 100 tries to get spine heroic mode. That's a lot of effort, way more than I would have ever put into an EQ raid.

0 Light: Realm 1 US 48 World 118
Heartbreaker: Realm 1 US 15 World 25
Observed: Realm 1 US 43 World 85

And this was after we split and reformed, right in this time frame. If I can find statistics for Classic/TBC I'd give those to ya too.

For some reason I thought 1 light was harder than 0, weird memory that sticks out to me but I can't really place it. I haven't played WoW seriously since ToC.

-Tomtee

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we've had 15 years to learn the strats for EQ, it only takes 1 or two attempts to get it down for wow, so...

What?

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and raiding in EQ isn't just stand at point A and DPS the boss. you have to refresh your click buffs when dispelled. you have to wear the appropriate gear for the appropriate boss (remember, they took this part out of wow because it was too hard).

Oh, talking about wow now =P

Was going to say, I definitely remember spending days or weeks banging heads into the wall dying over and over and over to shit like the drakes in BWL just to get the positioning right. Also remember having to farm the shit out of poison resist gear for huhuran in AQ .


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All this talking about raiding in wow being easy is making me want to go back and try the stuff added since wotlk.. problem is there is no way I am going to go buy wow + every expansion. =P

[Cippofra]

I dont quite understand why people take so much offense over hearing that EQ takes tons of patience, but very little skill. Does this make it less entertaining? Certainly doesn't for me. The PVP sucks (pvp was the best part of WoW imo) and the graphics suck. Doesn't change the fact that velious era EQ is my favorite game.

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by Cippofra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The punishments for death is definitely not insignificant. You don't make tons of gold in WoW without trade skills or dailies. And when you're going for top tier end game content, you die over and over and over for hours. Because you're tackling those easy DDR follow the instructions heroic 25 man raids of course. Eventually you have to find the time to make up that gold you've been losing. Just like in EQ, where you get a rez or gain back the experience, which takes time. It should also be noted that dying in EQ really only happens because you're trying to find ways to circumvent the amount of time it takes to level. Wiping on raids over and over typically doesn't happen, because you have twice the number of people necessary to take it. There's no strategy to learn because the universal strategy is CH main tank while 100 people spank boss.

Just stop...WoW was designed to be easy to bring in casual players and keep kids and adults with ADD. It is basically The Sims Online.

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heroic Wow so ez that's why only 10 guilds have heroic throne of thunder on farm status, cuz after all, all you need to do is mash buttons and have DBM installed. Lol?

Or a lot of serious guilds dropped out cause the game sux now? PvP was the only fun thing in that game.