Couple Questions From A Potential New Player

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well now everything makes sense.

At least those people say they are busy, more often then not you just get flat out ignored.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least those people say they are busy, more often then not you just get flat out ignored.

You claim that buffing anyone who asks only inconveniences us "slightly" but multiply that by the sheer number of people begging for buffs and sitting in the tunnel can turn into more work than buffing a raid force. Try having a higher level character with desirable buffs and spending any amount of time in the tunnel or any newbie zone and see how long before the amount of buff begging that happens overwhelms you. A full set of my buffs can take about half of my mana bar. Having to mem up to 5-7 different spells as well as canni/med up that lost mana, multiplied by up to a half dozen different people (as a CONSERVATIVE estimate) means that what you consider "common courtesies" adds up to a substantial amount of time spent. If being too busy to buff you on demand makes me an ass then I guess add me to the list, but I try to go out of my way to tali/regen people that I pass who are actually out there fighting and not just begging for easy mode. Your standard for kindness is for everyone who is more capable than you setting aside their time to be Mother Theresa and donating their time to the needy and I think that stinks.

Also wanted to comment on this:

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make sure when you start on this server you either are ready for a lot of soloing, or pick a class that is part of the perfect group. WAR CLR ROG MNK ENC SHM

Numerous times I have been leapfrogged on group waiting lists by these classes on my Bard and Ranger. If you believe ForumQuesters this is rare occurence, but it happens all the time. ForumQuesters are a small fraction of the community, and they apparently only communicate with other ForumQuesters.

EDIT: All hybrids should never be played (PAL SK BRD and RNG) because the penalty will exclude you from 60-70% of groups.

So the cleric left and we have no heals but we should invite the ranger because he's "next on the list?" This is not how groups should work. Ever. You sound like you have some serious entitlement issues or at the very least a very toxic attitude and I don't think any group is missing out by passing you over, regardless of what class you're playing.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You claim that buffing anyone who asks only inconveniences us "slightly" but multiply that by the sheer number of people begging for buffs and sitting in the tunnel can turn into more work than buffing a raid force. Try having a higher level character with desirable buffs and spending any amount of time in the tunnel or any newbie zone and see how long before the amount of buff begging that happens overwhelms you. A full set of my buffs can take about half of my mana bar. Having to mem up to 5-7 different spells as well as canni/med up that lost mana, multiplied by up to a half dozen different people (as a CONSERVATIVE estimate) means that what you consider "common courtesies" adds up to a substantial amount of time spent. If being too busy to buff you on demand makes me an ass then I guess add me to the list, but I try to go out of my way to tali/regen people that I pass who are actually out there fighting and not just begging for easy mode. Your standard for kindness is for everyone who is more capable than you setting aside their time to be Mother Theresa and donating their time to the needy and I think that stinks.

Also wanted to comment on this:

So the cleric left and we have no heals but we should invite the ranger because he's "next on the list?" This is not how groups should work. Ever. You sound like you have some serious entitlement issues or at the very least a very toxic attitude and I don't think any group is missing out by passing you over, regardless of what class you're playing.

I never said you had to raid buff anyone. Regen or HP buffs are plenty, and that shouldn't be an issue mana wise. If you are chilling in the EC tunnel selling stuff, you could easily med back that mana within minutes. The least you can do is SoW people, as that can be the most life saving buff.

What kind of idiot are you? If the cleric leaves, of course my ranger isn't going to replace him. But if they dropped a DPS? I should have that spot because I waited patiently for it.

EDIT:

So the cleric left and we have no heals but we should invite the ranger because he's "next on the list?" This is not how groups should work. Ever. You sound like you have some serious entitlement issues or at the very least a very toxic attitude and I don't think any group is missing out by passing you over, regardless of what class you're playing.

If waiting patiently for an hour, just to be skipped over for another DPS class that has been waiting 15 minutes makes me entitled. Then yeah, I'm entitled. Would you not be pissed off after something like that?

EDIT2: My "toxic attitude" is only on the forums. When I'm logged in I'm busy buffing people, leveling, or trying to do helpful things.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Davardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just you putting your emotions into my text. I gave up caring that much about this server about 2 years ago. The idea brings me back but reality always drives me away.

The fact you are still here crying about why this server is so terrible says otherwise.

[Dirtnap]

Why does it have to be anyone who has any criticism of this server is instantly wrong? Why does the forum have to try and keep up this false image of sunshine and rainbows?

Be honest about how often you do good things. Be honest about how often someone does nice things for you. Don't jump into these threads implying every day someone is going to go out of their way to do something nice for you. You will get an honest act of kindness once or twice a week. (From strangers, of course guildmates/friends will be more helpful more often.)

EDIT: I'm not trying to attack the server, I'm just calling people out on the false image they try to portray. Live in reality, not the made up fantasy the forum tries to create.

[Lojik]

I would say a majority of people on the server are nice. There are a decent number that either are only paying partial attention to the game or don't particularly care about being a social butterfly, which is fine I think. I have run into very few people who seem mean-spirited.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If waiting patiently for an hour, just to be skipped over for another DPS class that has been waiting 15 minutes makes me entitled. Then yeah, I'm entitled. Would you not be pissed off after something like that?

I would never wait patiently for an hour to get a group spot. This isn't the right way to play IMO. Form your own group. Make a friend or two that shares your playtime do regular groups. Join a leveling guild with lots of active members. Instead of sitting around waiting for someone to make the game more fun for you, make it more fun for yourself.

Is it so hard to believe that sometimes groups just don't want a ranger or bard? There doesn't have to be some ulterior motive behind it but waiting in a line shouldn't ever entitle you to a spot in the group if you're playing a class that isn't wanted. Maybe the have a druid already and don't need snares?

I'm not sure what grand myth of the server you're trying to dispel here but all of your complaints are of your own design or due to your own shortcomings. Is it going to be harder to find groups as a "less essential class?" Of course. Does that make the server not as nice as the forum makes it out to be? Absolutely not. If you want a sow, play a class that can cast sow or buy some potions. If you want a group, play a class that is desirable to the widest array of group configurations or make your own.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by CleverName [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you all for your responses.

It is a bummer that monks are overplayed. Might there be suggestions for other classes that are needed, can solo relatively well on odd times and have a chance, albeit slim, of getting their epic? I do not mind playing any role, I have fun from healing to tanking to pew pew.

I think once I obtain a copy of titanium somehow today, I will install the game and try to get up and running.

I am for sure going with a druid now. Would I be terrible to roll a half elf druid?

Anything I need to know after install the game? Any must dos? I have read the stickies and guides and have a pretty good idea, but things i missed are like a guide of where to level and whatnot. It has been a long, long time since I had my hands on this game. Like 2 months after Velious dropped.

Thank you all for your opinions.

Somewhat ironic that you lean towards playing a druid because monks are overplayed, as druid is always highest in the /who all count whenever I check. I think most played class goes like Druid>Monk>Shaman...after that I forget. Probably something like Necro>Cler>Enc>Mage, with Wiz>Rang>Pal at the bottom, although lately I've seen more wizards on.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would never wait patiently for an hour to get a group spot. This isn't the right way to play IMO. Form your own group. Make a friend or two that shares your playtime do regular groups. Join a leveling guild with lots of active members. Instead of sitting around waiting for someone to make the game more fun for you, make it more fun for yourself.

Is it so hard to believe that sometimes groups just don't want a ranger or bard? There doesn't have to be some ulterior motive behind it but waiting in a line shouldn't ever entitle you to a spot in the group if you're playing a class that isn't wanted. Maybe the have a druid already and don't need snares?

I'm not sure what grand myth of the server you're trying to dispel here but all of your complaints are of your own design or due to your own shortcomings. Is it going to be harder to find groups as a "less essential class?" Of course. Does that make the server not as nice as the forum makes it out to be? Absolutely not. If you want a sow, play a class that can cast sow or buy some potions. If you want a group, play a class that is desirable to the widest array of group configurations or make your own.

You confirmed a couple of the things I have said with this post. Mainly that if you don't play one of the "essential" classes, don't expect to get groups. Also, don't expect anyone to be nice to you if you don't play one of the "essential" classes.

Straight up shunning people because their class isn't "essential" is pretty far from a good community in my opinion.

What happened to inviting people to groups based on how well they play, and not based on if they are twinked or based on their class?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap

Why does it have to be anyone who has any criticism of this server is instantly wrong? Why does the forum have to try and keep up this false image of sunshine and rainbows?

It's called a strawman. In reality you are bitching that not everyone on the server thinks that you are at the center of universe. Which we are calling you out on.