Beware the gnome Whukes

[t0lkien]

This is still nonsense, GM approval or no (and really, they can only adjudicate based on their logs; and it's their server so it is what it is).

Moral of the story: never assume Whukes is playing fair. That's a pretty expensive earring IMO.

[Ambrotos]

If you look at the log times you can see a difference of 12 seconds.

Engaged: Sun Jun 30, 2013; 07:51:30

**[Sun Jun 30 07:51:16 2013] You begin casting Enstill.
[Sun Jun 30 07:51:18 2013] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Jun 30 07:51:18 2013] Hadden's feet adhere to the ground.

Kat did attack but it was afterwards 8ish seconds after the other guy engaged. He attacked ~23 seconds after it spawned.

Can he lose the camp while not being there while it spawns? It all depends and this is the worst camp to deal with. You have a npc with less than 1200 hps mid lvl 20s can kill quickly.

If you read what he says, he was looking away when it spawned. Maybe he looked at the screen due to spells going off, or what not. One person was there ready, the other not.

Shitty? Very. Toss up and can anything be done? No. The only thing I see is one person attacking after the other. He admitted he wasn't paying attention and just attacked. So what people are asking is does a semi afk person get the camp after 23ish seconds before he engaged after a spawn?

It wasn't just 6 seconds. It was from when the npc spawned, to his engaged time and that was 23 seconds. Big difference than 6 seconds.

[LiQuid]

If this ruling goes in favor of Whukes my new blanket policy for all camps is to hand them off to others while I go get some sleep then come back and race them for FTE to claim I have the camp back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can be at a camp and not respond to someone, as long as you are clearing the placeholder/camp. It's defined in the rules.

Facts:
Whukes was there
Haden Spawned: Sun Jun 30, 2013; 07:51:23
Whukes engaged 07:51:30* Used enstill, 2 second cast time* (I know his logs say differently, this is why we never accept player logs for any petitions)
Katanagatari engaged 07:51:36 ( a full 7 seconds or so after Whukes did)

I see 13 seconds between my engagement of Hadden and Hadden's spawn. Thanks for looking into this Ambrotos it is very appreciated and enlightening.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cheers ambro!

I hope the rest of you can get off your high horse and apologize to whukes now.

The mangnome did nothing wrong but since the op throws out an accusation the community is ready to lynch him..

Since ambro's logs show differently are all of you whukes haters going to switch sides and start bashing the op for being a kser? laughable....

This thread turned into a witch-hunt when Whukes responded in an offensive and childish manner. Also, whether or not Whukes was in the right or wrong (technically), it's still BM to do what he did, considering the OP was clearly there for much longer. Whereas whukes was logging in when he thought Hadden would be up soon. BTW! Ambros just said those were FACTS. He didn't judge who was in the right or wrong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this ruling goes in favor of Whukes my new blanket policy for all camps is to hand them off to others while I go get some sleep then come back and race them for FTE to claim I have the camp back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind this ruling has almost no precedential value. The decision maker is clearly lamenting the lack of facts, and in this case the only option was a presumption that FTE carries it. Had the OP provided an acceptable form of evidence for his case, the presumption of FTE winning would have been defeated.

This situation is limited to its facts and likely would have no impact upon future scenarios that did not fit this exact fact pattern.

[Flamewraith]

This is a sad day for all honest people. Like I said Kylok shoot me a tell if you ever need help with anything. I'm sorry you had to experience this side of the server, just know that not everyone is like that. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[LiQuid]

So it doesn't matter that Kata was there first, FTE > owning the camp for Hadden?

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind this ruling has almost no precedential value. The decision maker is clearly lamenting the lack of facts, and in this case the only option was a presumption that FTE carries it. Had the OP provided an acceptable form of evidence for his case, the presumption of FTE winning would have been defeated.

This situation is limited to its facts and likely would have no impact upon future scenarios that did not fit this exact fact pattern.

... except where those scenarios carry a lack of hard evidence beyond server logs (as is almost certain unless a GM happens to wander past at the time), in which case FTE and firepower carries the day.

Got it.

[Ambrotos]

The only real hard stance in posted rules about camps is this. I'll talk to Sirken so we can clean stuff up. With Velious coming up, there are a lot of out door static spawns, ec etc, People will lawyer it to death.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camping a mob is a privelege, not a right. If someone wants the privelege of having sole claim to a mob, they have to make the sacrifice of whatever else they could be doing with themselves. Claim to a camp is a considerable advantage, it comes with a cost. Choose wisely.

Being at a hotly contested camp and being afk 20+ seconds after he spawns, I consider it FFA if other people are waiting.

Like I said, we go by server logs and not people's logs. This is absolute times the server has.

Spawned: Sun Jun 30, 2013; 07:51:23
.........................................Engage Time... Delay time after FTE.........Engaged Total
2 Katanagatari 35 Monk.........07:51:36.... 6sec.............................23seconds