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Yep, sure do oh magnificent Skittlez. 10 11.76%
Nope, oh glorious and powerful Skittlez. 3 3.53%
Yes and no. It can be a hit or miss. 10 11.76%
You're just a dick.. Now, give this enchanter a dex buff. 62 72.94%
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:06 PM
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Is this a serious question, because I don't know if I can give you a serious answer.
Charming casters is way more of a thing in KC / Seb than it is in CoM - which is where I've been grouping lately.

I'm actually playing the shaman my wife was playing before she hit 40 and decided that EQ wasn't for her. I stripped the SK I had (because who likes SK? geez) and twinked my shaman out, so my experience is completely subjective on level 40-48, the entirety of it being spent in CoM.

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I'm even remotely correct about anything.
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:07 PM
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That answers that.
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:08 PM
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Charming casters is way more of a thing in KC / Seb than it is in CoM - which is where I've been grouping lately.

I'm actually playing the shaman my wife was playing before she hit 40 and decided that EQ wasn't for her. I stripped the SK I had (because who likes SK? geez) and twinked my shaman out, so my experience is completely subjective on level 40-48, the entirety of it being spent in CoM.

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I'm even remotely correct about anything.
sorry to inform you there are no casters in com.


no point in charming casters. you must repent
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:09 PM
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Charming casters is way more of a thing in KC / Seb than it is in CoM - which is where I've been grouping lately.

I'm actually playing the shaman my wife was playing before she hit 40 and decided that EQ wasn't for her. I stripped the SK I had (because who likes SK? geez) and twinked my shaman out, so my experience is completely subjective on level 40-48, the entirety of it being spent in CoM.

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean I'm even remotely correct about anything.
I was more talking about the freez. Tons of people charm casters - free manatap on charm breaks.
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I was more talking about the freez. Tons of people charm casters - free manatap on charm breaks.
Yes my main (in your guild, btw, hi!) is an enchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Love me some theft of thought. I also love that when they break they start casting on me instead of wailing on me. Basically I thought, hrm, I already play an overpowered class - why don't i play another?
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:12 PM
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the mana wasted keeping a charmed caster is in no way replenished with a theft of thought.

you want to argue with me about charming casters... pls l2p
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Yes my main (in your guild, btw, hi!)
hi but you are not in my guild bro
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the mana wasted keeping a charmed caster is in no way replenished with a theft of thought.

you want to argue with me about charming casters... pls l2p
I'll bite - why is mana 'wasted' on charming a caster versus any other mob? There are some camps where casters are everywhere and ToT is a nonbo, but in places like KC basement where everything is a skeleton warrior, there's no way I'm taking anything but a caster downstairs. At least i GET a ToT target every break, and by ToT'ing it I reduce the mana it has so it casts less and melees more - it still has the same hit table as other mobs.
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hi but you are not in my guild bro
Also is your avatar the dwarf from the hobbit?
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:20 PM
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Atmas, there's a level range where it's really an issue of choosing amongst buffs when there's just not enough mana for everything. At 29, your healer won't have cheal, so you should regen the tank, puller, and yourself (300 mana every ~10 min). All melee, let's say you've got 3 of them, are going to want quickness if you don't have an enchanter (240 mana ever ~10 min).

You'll be meditating ~12 mana per tick if you don't miss a tick, and you'll be regen'ing 8 hp per tick if you're barb/ogre, 11 if you're iksar/troll. Assuming you take no hits and never cap out on hp, you're getting 20 mana for every 50 hp you regen.

So for a barb/ogre, that's 15.2 mana per tick and for iksar/troll it's 16.4 mana per tick. You tick ~100 times between rebuffs. So for an untwinked shm doing everything he can to max his mana regen, barb/ogre's mana regen is 1520 mana and iksar/troll's is 1640 mana between necessary buffs.

So just minimal regen/haste at lvl 29 is going to take up 32.9 to 35.5% of maximum mana regen (assuming no external heals). No lvl 29 shaman is going to actually hit that 1520 or 1640 mana per 10 min mark, however, and the real number is likely going to be ~50% of mana regen just for those 2 buffs.

People will expect emergency roots and backup heals at least. That's easily most of the remaining mana. Sometimes additional buffs just don't fit the mana budget.
It depends on what you consider extra. It's hard for me to call strength ever extra. It's 60 mana for 45 minutes (if the wiki numbers are right, I admit they often aren't). Or for the case of 3 melees about 40 mana every 10 minutes, pretty small.

Of course the real significance of any measureable buff is value/cost. At this point I really would just be making up numbers but the last toon I played in this range is my 36 rogue. Let say I'm in a group that pulls one mob a minute (I think its usually faster). He has some decent gear so that 26 str would actually take him to cap, I think other characters benefit more than he does. Here is the real out of the air number, lets say he does just an extra 20 hpts of damage per mob or per minute. If that is true its 900 more damage over 45 minutes. Which equates to a 1 mana per 15 damage ratio, which is pretty awesome and far and away better than any casted DoT or Nuke.
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