Noble Dojorn Timers

[bktroost]

Well I ask myself what was the ROI of our little experiment? How many OOAs loot drops did we loose in our attempt to generate more Nobles and how many extra Nobles did we get? Did we end up with 6 extra nobles before the three OOAs poofed? If we received 6 of them then that means I invest one OOA and received two nobles gaining me one efreeti drop. However, If you include the loss of three Hands then we came out dead even. If we would have had one more pop before the server reset we would have actually made progress. Is it worth the friction to double our efreeti drops across the board? I would love seeing some stats on how long we worked to achieve the triple OOAs we had. If we can get that and project it one more OOA then we'll know exactly how long it will take before we start making profit.

I'm willing to work to make it happen, but I agree without staff support (maybe even just making OOA deaths public knowledge) its going to be considerably harder.

Bottom line, even if people don't follow the process to a T, we as a server still gain on our investments if we make the attempt work over time.

[Splorf22]

If N overseers are up, we will get 7N/3 + 1 Nobles per week. If the server is stable for a month, that is 4 normal spawns of noble + 3 repop spawns = 7, so thats about 17 Nobles per week. At that point it is hard to imagine anyone going too nuts over him. The problem is the server simply hasn't been that stable, and the question is whether it will be stable in the future.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ploktor

So here are the facts:
Top row is the number of days since repop.
Middle row of numbers = number of efreeti kills if you kill dojo, ooa, and hand.
Bottom row of numbers = number of efreeti kills if OOA is left up.

Assuming no Sim Pops

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 9 9 9
1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 6 6 7 8 9 10 11

What it all means:
-We lose efreeti kills if there are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, or 9 days between server clearing events (patch, server crash, etc).
-We break even if there are 6, 10, 11, or 14 days between server clearing events.
-We gain efreeti kills if there are 12, 13, 15, or more days between server clearing events.
Simulating a repop on day 10 gives:
-Days before simpop remain 9/10 lose efreetis and 1/10 break even
-0, 1, 2, and 4 days after simpop result in a loss of efreetis
-5 days after simpop is a wash
-3 and 6+ days after simpop result in more efreetis

Another simpop on day 20 results in the same odds for days 0-19 and still more efreeti kills on the simpop and beyond.

*This also assumes we are able to handle two efreeti's spawning per day.

With simpops on days 10 and 20 our first three efreeti day would be day 28.

For all intents and purposes it is impossible to know which OOA you are killing if you attempt to kill a particular OOA out of the pack.

Feel free to post on my behalf.

-Ploktor

Of course he is TMO scum now, so I'm not sure I can trust him.

But can we get this guy access to the raid forums so I don't have to post for him ?!

[Powtle]

2 OOA up (March 3rd at 14:00 EST)

[Funkutron5000]

Glad to hear this is workin'

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad to hear this is workin'

still unsure what "workin" will mean in terms of engaging Noble...

daily click fest or yield to Sky day

[williestargell]

This is a great academic exercise and frankly I think too many of us are having more fun with it as such rather than as a game where the idea is to actually kill stuff.

Let's stop playing around with this and actually take action on something that will produce a good result for the server.

Take a pick

1) GM enforced C/R/FFA
2) Guilds ALL agree to leave OOA up and to rotate the nobles based on who's sky day it is. Frankly we're acting like we have this and we don't. TMO has not agreed.
3) Agreement to not Kill OOA, but leave Noble as FFA (this is what we have currently)
4) No agreement at all.

Give me anything but #3 which is what we have now.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by williestargell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me anything but #3 which is what we have now.

I don't understand. Obviously I would prefer some sort of Sky day semi-rotation if only because click fests are fucking retarded, but by agreeing to leave the Noble up, we get more Efreeti loot (as long as the server is stable for more than 2 weeks or so). This should be a no-brainer regardless of how said loot is distributed.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand. Obviously I would prefer some sort of Sky day semi-rotation if only because click fests are fucking retarded, but by agreeing to leave the Noble up, we get more Efreeti loot (as long as the server is stable for more than 2 weeks or so). This should be a no-brainer regardless of how said loot is distributed.

Its not a no brainer if this agreement requires 9 guilds to accomplish but only 1 guild benefits...

[phiren]

I'd prefer to throw it up to a C/FFA/R rotation like everything else. Putting it up on C / FFA / R gives every guild an incentive to leave the other mobs up to get through the cycle quicker.

The 'your sky day' is just not clear enough for a couple reasons:
#1) Saturday / Sunday / Monday are double days
#2) Other Class R Guilds that do not have Sky days might want to get in on this

I just don't see what the trouble is with FFA / C / R ... other than stirring up the entire debate AGAIN as to whether FFA / C / R is the right thing to be doing in the first place.

Noble gives an FTE shout (he did a month or so ago)... clearly the GMs saw this is an important "Raid Mob".. so why not count it as a Raid Mob like the other Raid Mobs?

~Phiren
Azure Guard