Game Mechanics: Rogue hide

[kanras]

If you have discussion about the skill level stuff, take it to the other thread.

[bulbousaur]

Thanks so much Kanras. I haven't tried to get a DE mask on my rogue yet because this was broken.

[Shiftin]

Did your fix include fixing runspeed scaling? As mentioned in a few threads, runspeed is still significantly impacted by sneaking at 60 where it should not be.

[4WOFURY]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did your fix include fixing runspeed scaling? As mentioned in a few threads, runspeed is still significantly impacted by sneaking at 60 where it should not be.

^ also relevant and included through-out this thread, however, I am just ecstatic about the hide reversion. Tackling it one thing at a time :-)

[Scrubosaur]

More stuff I can't sneak/hide past and have to get someone to clear the way to a group...

goos - dalnir
giants - FM
goblins - SolA
kobolds - SolB

Sucks being a rogue that can't go anywhere!

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very few things should see rogue hide

It is extremely easy to remove see hide from an NPC. All I need is individual proof that an individual NPC should not see.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ask about both items:
Very few things should see rogue hide
Rogue sneak/hide at 60 is still significantly slower than run speed, they should be equal or nearly equal.

Ask Rogean he played a rogue forever.

Do people forget that sneak + hide behind something should be more effective?

[Nubben]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do people forget that sneak + hide behind something should be more effective?

This is 100% due to sneak and has nothing to do with Hide. Nothing in the game should ever be able to see anyone (rogue or not) who has sneak activated and is in the mob's rear arc, regardless of Hide or other invis factors. The tricky part is GETTING to the mob's rear arc without being seen, which rogue hide helps you do.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is extremely easy to remove see hide from an NPC. All I need is individual proof that an individual NPC should not see.

As requested; this post is from 3/31/2000

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28

"List of Creatures That Can See Through Hide
Dragons (Vox and Nagafen)
Fire Giants
Scorn Banshees
Lichs
Loathing Lichs
Evil Eyes
Huge Elemental (Lower Guk)"

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nubben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is 100% due to sneak and has nothing to do with Hide. Nothing in the game should ever be able to see anyone (rogue or not) who has sneak activated and is in the mob's rear arc, regardless of Hide or other invis factors. The tricky part is GETTING to the mob's rear arc without being seen, which rogue hide helps you do.

If hide helps you get behind without being seen already, what's the point of sneak having a positional mechanic? I think you guys are wanting hide/sneak to have the "behind the mob" functionality at all times (even when not behind).

Honestly, if Rogean played a rogue for as long as he says he did and during vanilla-Velious... I have to give him authority on the matter (well, I think he has it anyway obvi). He's not a content/mechanic twisting scummy. Except mabe overnerfing drains cuz of Salty hoopin'.





Remove item recharging, revert hoop nerf!