ninja looting or no?

[deadlycupcakez]

i openly accuse the staff of being blatantly incorrect in their decision so that has absolutely no relevance to mental health?

[khanable]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcakez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i openly accuse the staff of being blatantly incorrect in their decision so that has absolutely no relevance to mental health?

denial

[Dweed]

The corpse belongs to the killer. Otherwise every dragon/god's nodrop class specific loot would be at risk of someone spam clicking the corpse.

[Cecily]

There's the question of whether or not it's right to take something on a server rules level and also a personal ethics level. Just because you can take something doesn't make it right to do so. Imagine if one guild killed all the raid mobs.

[deadlycupcakez]

correct. a combination of server rules and personal ethics. the guild that took the mob felt no moral obligation to the original camper of the mob, yet when the same lack of personal morals were imposed against them decided to throw their hands up to management and cry for help.

the consistency (both moral and server-legal) is not there... which is why the staffs ruling is horrendously incorrect and the inconsistency is very misleading to the rest of the servers population.

and no i saw your asshole comment. I decided to share when the guild began equating themselves to rape victims and i got very mad.

[Brut]

Hate how theres so many people who can't wrap their heads around this - you didn't kill it, stop worrying about it.

You either were part of killing the mob or you werent. If you werent, no nonsense about this or that matters - the drops belong to the party/guild/player that killed it, and it's up to them what happens to the drops since they're the ones who killed it. If it rots, it rots. Tough break, the mobs gonna respawn at some point. If you insist on coming up with excuses about how you can grab whatever, you're more than likely to A) waste staff time since they have to resolve your crap decision B) get yourself suspended.

Only confusing thing really is that the server rules thread has no mention of this whatsoever, albeit the staff afaik has always been following said rule.

[deadlycupcakez]

camps: you have a reasonable amount of time to kill your PH or camp mob from time of spawn before you give up your rights to the camp

loot: you have a reasonable amount of time to loot your corpse from time of kill before you give up your rights to the loot

if you need a specific player to get the loot, manage your kill group better and make sure they are in the group with the kill credit.

[rebeccablack]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcakez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you need a specific player to get the loot, manage your kill group better and make sure they are in the group with the kill credit.

Crazy thought, but sometimes a group of players doesn't know for sure what a mob is going to drop. In those situations, sometimes a drop needs to be awarded to a player outside of the exp group.

[Daldaen]

Or maybe... You should only loot things you killed with your group or your guild. You shouldn't loot something killed by someone else's guild when you weren't invited or weren't told you may loot the mob they killed.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saraya camping for 2 minutes or 2 days is irrelevent. Chest not responding to private messages or tells in-game is irrelevent. Saraya having the force en route is irrelevent. Prisila not being in the kill group is irrelevent. Everything is irrelevent except this:

1: VT is a FFA mob, first come, first served.

2: BDA mobilized and engaged first.

3: BDA kills VT, all loot no-drop or tradeable is the propriety of BDA and they do whatever they want with it.

4: They decide to award it to Prisila.

5: Saraya spam-clicks a corpse containing the item that was decided by the owners of the corpse to be awarded to Prisila, loots it and gets banned.

This is text-book ninja looting. You can argue all you want about BDA being assholes or Chest being a douche, that's all opinions and emotional reasoning. Points 1 to 5 cannot be argued and that's what happened.

Erydan Ouragan <Random Acts>

This is why Prisila being in the kill group doesn't matter. If BDA decided to let the corpse rot or record themselves deleting the item and send the video to Saraya telling her "lol you'll never get your epic" they would be within their rights to do so. Supreme asshole move? Sure, but since it's THEIR kill, it's THEIR loot and if one of their lvl 1 chanter alt was logging on to loot the item, it would also be in their right to do so.

The corpse was never "open" because soon as the mob was dead, they decided to award the item to Prisila. Saraya decided to ninja it.

I know it sucks that Saraya is an underdog valiantly struggling against a giant like BDA with numbers, mobility and gear, but rules of ownership applies to everyone, from the casual gamer to the most powerful guild on the server.

Anyone calling a grey area on this issue makes an emotional judgement.