The New TMO

[Portasaurus]

^ LOL WRONG THREAD.

[YendorLootmonkey]

There are two situations here:

1. IB tagged a mob that didn't give a FTE shout, and then killed it and looted. As a Class C guild, they should have known better and saw that they didn't have FTE and should have disengaged. This is clear and I have no idea why IB/Taken are trying to argue against this unless they have a logfile that shows one of their members (or unguilded mercenaries now, since we're going that route?) having a FTE message from Fay after Golden did. For the rules lawyers, this "FTE is everything" ruling was made clear in the case of A-Team v. Lord Doljo ( http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=139034 ).

2. The purposeful clouding of the FTE by using an unguilded character to tag. This is the bigger picture issue to me, due to the history we have of how things escalate on the raid scene here. "If it's not specifically in the rules, it's allowed and fair game!" is like the personal motto of Class C guilds, and now one of them got burnt by it. What's the escalation going to be? I'll tell you the end game right now... posts in the EC Tunnel forums like: "WTB services of an unguilded toon, without any prior affiliation to (IB or TMO), paying 100K to help sit around and get FTE. Will get you VP key and loot VP rots." Then you Class C hardcore pro-competition players are gonna have 2 people in IB, 2 people in TMO, and 10 unguilded people sitting around each VP dragon spawn point for 15 hours. And fuck Class R if you start doing that for FFA mobs, right? Enough games, this was supposed to level the playing field and make it a competitive race. Not a competition as to who can find the best loophole in the rules... that's pre-2014 P1999 Raid Scene bullshit. I thought we were beyond that.

This was the kind of stuff we were worried about during the raid negotiations... guilds doing shady things to circumvent the two-man tracking rule, the FTE rules, etc. And here we are... someone figured out and used the loophole. What's the escalation going to be now? Both Class C guilds have a clear and defined history of trying to one-up each other while "still playing by the posted rules."

BDA got suspended for "violating the spirit of the rules". It's time the spirit of the rules are protected here. It was obvious during the raid negotiations that a few of the staff involved had a pro-Class C bias (and even after, based on condescending comments made towards Class R), but if I were a GM, I would see this escalation coming a mile away and stop it before it gets way out of hand and add a clarification that dictates the facetrackers and pullers must be tagged to the guild that is desiring the FTE.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

On #2, if we already had 2 reps on spawn, we'd be ineligible of receiving the target from that FTE'r with new raid rules. Unguilded toons on spawn could become an issue, but this isn't one of those cases. It would be a good time to codify something about requiring guild (or at least, group of people) affiliation when sitting on a spawn, tag or no. Tag would probably be the easiest way to go about it. I'd propose it in the raid discussion.

The solution is to always update the rules when changing circumstances are identified. Amendments n such.

[Cecily]

We're not that devious, just lazy on re-tagging characters (our guild was disbanded) and severely short on trackers yesterday.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On #2, if we already had 2 reps on spawn, we'd be ineligible of receiving the target from that FTE'r with new raid rules. Unguilded toons on spawn could become an issue, but this isn't one of those cases. It would be a good time to codify something about requiring guild (or at least, group of people) affiliation when sitting on a spawn, tag or no. Tag would probably be the easiest way to go about it. I'd propose it in the raid discussion.

The solution is to always update the rules when changing circumstances are identified. Amendments n such.

That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

You know I'm reasonable, Yendor. Most of TMO is. Coupla ragebros at times (shoutout to raden and gadfly :PP) but they're still good dudes. Which is why I can't figure out why the entire server has a hard on for TMO.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I truly cannot figure out this server's hatred for "The New TMO", really.

I've been on p99 for close to two months now, met people that have been playing on the server for a long time, and asked them the what's what and who's who.

Apparently, and i'm quoting various people here, TMO did many nasty shit, many times, for a long time. I've heard things like locking down the entire server's raid targets, not because you need the items to progress further, but to deny other people from progressing. Many other things too, but this one in particular stood out.

I guess you don't mind that, and probably even enjoy it too. You even said, and i quote you word for word "EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds." In a previous post, in that very thread.

See, i disagree with you on that. EQ is about many things, but more importantly, the things you want it to be. It's about personal enjoyment. If you enjoy sitting in the tunnel and flip items to get rich, or log once a week and explore a dungeon with your friends, and it's what's fun for you, then more power to you. There's no definite way to play EQ.

But for you, you seem to get your fun dominating other guilds by denying them access to content you don't even need, just to "rub your nuts in their face". That's what your guild is about right? Correct me if i'm wrong. People who play computer games tend to have a good memory and don't forgive easily. Reputations are set in stone and as long as the tag <The Mystical Order> will exist, it will be like that. No matter if it's the new-improved-ameliorated-5.0-TMO, i think you guys reached a point where too much shit happened and the hatred will never die.

I don't have anything against TMO or you personally, i enjoy the game my own way, but you if you can't figure the hate for TMO, look at your guild's past and current reason for existing.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been on p99 for close to two months now, met people that have been playing on the server for a long time, and asked them the what's what and who's who.

Apparently, and i'm quoting various people here, TMO did many nasty shit, many times, for a long time. I've heard things like locking down the entire server's raid targets, not because you need the items to progress further, but to deny other people from progressing. Many other things too, but this one in particular stood out.

I guess you don't mind that, and probably even enjoy it too. You even said, and i quote you word for word "EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds." In a previous post, in that very thread.

See, i disagree with you on that. EQ is about many things, but more importantly, the things you want it to be. It's about personal enjoyment. If you enjoy sitting in the tunnel and flip items to get rich, or log once a week and explore a dungeon with your friends, and it's what's fun for you, then more power to you. There's no definite way to play EQ.

But for you, you seem to get your fun dominating other guilds by denying them access to content you don't even need, just to "rub your nuts in their face". That's what your guild is about right? Correct me if i'm wrong. People who play computer games tend to have a good memory and don't forgive easily. Reputations are set in stone and as long as the tag <The Mystical Order> will exist, it will be like that. No matter if it's the new-improved-ameliorated-5.0-TMO, i think you guys reached a point where too much shit happened and the hatred will never die.

I don't have anything against TMO or you personally, i enjoy the game my own way, but you if you can't figure the hate for TMO, look at your guild's past and current reason for existing.

When I say EQ, I mean the raid scene. And when I mean rubbing nuts, it's tmo v IB for ffa/c mobs. We have literally no interaction with the R guilds.

Every bit of that nasty shit was zeelot's tmo. Since the reform, not a single occurence. Admittedly I'd be a little salty waiting months for an epic when tmo/ib are gearing alts, but that's just the nature of high end EQ if you wish to maintain a competitive (sometimes to unhealthy levels :P) environment. As much shit as we talk to IB, we'd be kind of crestfallen without them there. And they us.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know I'm reasonable, Yendor. Most of TMO is. Coupla ragebros at times (shoutout to raden and gadfly :PP) but they're still good dudes. Which is why I can't figure out why the entire server has a hard on for TMO.

I can't speak for the entire server, but I assure you that TMO does not give me an erection, good sir. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Actually, a small addendum: High end raiding here has some skill to it, lots of time investment, and a ton of personality / politics. Raiding here with a dash of RNF is essentially pro wrestling. Rogean is the commissioner and the GMs are essentially JR. It's that drama and politics that keep some of us coming back, and I suppose if you didn't see the forest for the trees in that we'd come off as terribly cocky.

In the end I feel it's best for you to know your role and shut your mouth, you roody-poo candy ass :3