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#61
12-04-2014, 07:42 PM
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WoW raiding is very difficult in you are competitive. A joke if you are a LFRer.
EQ raiding WAS complicated when we played with dialup, no one used VoIP, and bat phone was not a thing. P99 raid IS a pain in the ass. Bunch of neckbeards dealing with P99 rules on an over populated server. No thanks bro. Apples are not oranges. :< | ||
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#62
12-05-2014, 05:21 AM
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Tbh EQ2 > all in terms of skill required for raiding.
EQ is zerg mode. WoW is raiding-lite. EQ2 endgame is 110% scripted. Fully populated endgame geared guilds wipe in seconds without correct strats. | ||
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#64
12-05-2014, 07:10 AM
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The best raiding era in eq in terms of skill was either 2 of 4 wo gods or dodh through tbs. I think demiplane and solteris definitely were brutal zones and also had that epic feel. I think the hardest difficulty wow raids blow current eq and p1999 eq out of the water in terms of difficulty. To win at p1999 you simply have to be there. That is it. He who has the will to log in at any time of night or day in sufficient numbers to fuck a poor cowering mob in the ass in ten seconds flat wins. Dedication yes skill no. In wow you could wipe 100 + times and still not win. Sure gear is made obscelete with new expansions, but the challenge in competing at the top level is far greater than anything eq in this or its current form has to offer.
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#65
12-05-2014, 02:38 PM
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#66
12-05-2014, 02:43 PM
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You are basically saying that it takes skill to NOT press buttons on your keyboard. People can wipe on any game if some dipshit aggros tons of mobs and trains them on the raid. Is that really your argument? | |||
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#69
12-05-2014, 05:41 PM
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three words: barrier to entry
in EQ, it's insane. keys are hard to get, gear is hard to get, resists are a requirement. in wow, they pretty much hand everything to you and you get to raid. they took out resists as a requirement before the first expansion. raid zones are instanced, so there's no interference (compared to p99, not modern EQ), and you get to walk RIGHT UP TO THE FUCKING BOSS AND START PUNCHING HIM. that's right: they basically got rid of raid trash during WOTLK. if that's not easy and dumbed down raiding, i'm not sure what is. also, adding pointless mechanics just for the sake of adding pointless mechanics is not the same thing as making the fight more difficult. it's clear that wow ran out of fresh ideas a long time ago and the raid encounters became jokes. by the way, i had a server first kill on heroic LK and several 50 attempts remaining in togc 10/25. wow was so monotonous that i switched to rift shortly before discovering p99. i still think rift is much superior to wow in terms of balance and class design. both games are pay to win and the mmorpg design is over. play mobas. | ||
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12-05-2014, 06:02 PM
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Mobas have to be the gayest of all game styles, and has nothing to do with this thread. Poopsock boss is harder than anything IB/TMO will ever have to kill. Yeah, this includes keys. Sunwell & Yogg Zero Light are harder than the poopsock boss. Rift is fun, but remains irrelevant. | |||
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