People here for classic experience...?

[LulzSect]

Red gets a bad rap but the truth is we don't give a fuck what class you are. If I (CLR) need a slot filled for a group, come on down. Fuck that elitist blue min/max nerd mentality bullshit.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by bloodmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found myself just going after loot and looking for groups much like I did on Blue. Didn't see my duo buddy on anymore after 50's, he was pretty grumpy about lack of items in trade or trades in general, returned to blue.

Seems like you had the right mentality. Expecting Red to be just like Blue, but with pvp.

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[Randy]

The population is top heavy on Blue. Before Kunark it was pretty spread out. But post 50 is a decent time sync to level so if you aren't a hardcore player it takes some time so a lot more people are there and the population below 50 is pretty small and spread out. Not that I play much on there but with the size of the red population, I don't see it being any better

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a lot of players on this server, you have to consider their original experience on Live.

1999 they were likely kids in middle school, high school or college, 13-20~ in 1999. Had Mountain Dew and Surge, were able to stay up or online for 12-hour grind groups. Played until the sun rose some nights in the name of nerd-dom.

Fast-forward 15 years.

These guys are now in their late 20s, early 30s. Many are married with kids, houses, yard work, mortgages, deadlines at work, have to deal with incompetent coworkers mistakes, etc. In short, they don't have time for those 12 hour grind groups or 8 hour camps. They may only get 1-2 hours at a time, or even less

The above is why so many are drawn to a solo-style gameplay. They can log on, play a character solo, get meaningful EXP, and if they have to log off at a moments notice cause their baby woke up, it isn't ruining someones group or wiping them in a tough location.

I tend to believe this is a large factor for why R99 has a low population. The Group ZEM bonus penalizes solo play, and lots of the people who are drawn to P99 don't have time for regular grind groups or don't want to put the group in a position where if they leave, the group is stuck. Also, in a PvP environment, its dangerous to go alone.

It is why you see so many posts about whats a good solo class or wheres a good solo location on these boards. Some people may be anti-social and not like grouping but. I think a large amount of it is the amount of time and how

There is a flaw in your logic.
Red has a 50% bonus for solo. The worst you'll ever do on red as a solo class is -10%. Sorry. It would be -18%. Still not bad.

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[HallyVee]

My classic experience consisted of being handed Wurmslayer at level 5ish, sometime before Luclin.
So for me refusing twinking and power leveling is pretty classic.
Although it does bother me that with a few hours of farming money I could obviate the next six tiers of weapons, due to the top heavy market, it is par for the course.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a flaw in your logic.
Red has a 50% bonus for solo. The worst you'll ever do on red as a solo class is -10%. Sorry. It would be -18%. Still not bad.

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I didnt do red becuse of everything daldaen says, except for the reason why I didnt do red.

I didnt do red becuse I dont have a lot of time, ill be damned if im going to spend that time pvping when other people want to force me to pvp... Its that simple!

but that said I wish i could elect to pvp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didnt do red becuse of everything daldaen says, except for the reason why I didnt do red.

I didnt do red becuse I dont have a lot of time, ill be damned if im going to spend that time pvping when other people want to force me to pvp... Its that simple!

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"Red is so under populated that there isn't even anyone to group with."

"All the zones are empty. They only have like 50 people."

"If I tried to solo, I would be forced to pvp all the time and never get any XP."

Obviously on such an empty server there are people waiting in every zone to kill you just for daring to be there. Seriously. Its not that bad.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Red is so under populated that there isn't even anyone to group with."

"All the zones are empty. They only have like 50 people."

"If I tried to solo, I would be forced to pvp all the time and never get any XP."

Obviously on such an empty server there are people waiting in every zone to kill you just for daring to be there. Seriously. Its not that bad.

hey man i played rallos zek in classic till i quit, im redder than any of yall mo fo's!

[bloodmuffin]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like you had the right mentality. Expecting Red to be just like Blue, but with pvp.

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I enjoyed the PvP aspect don't get me wrong. I just needed resist gear to compete and levels to gain that competitive edge so I was stuck in that limbo. I wandered off to have some PvP and found it numerous places with both groups and solo but eventually got pretty boring being where I was at. What else more was there to do?

Funny you should mention my expectations, I had the idea that Red was outright death and constant combat where ever you went, where you could just log on and find some good combat. Once I started here people and groups were extremely friendly and welcoming, carebear status. The closer you got towards 50 though, the more you had people opting out of groups to farm or make plat just like blue, greed started to set in for some, people avoiding popular zones due to PvP. We had active leveling groups, people questing, Power leveling, waiting for planar raids, yet no PvP groups. PvP was an inconvenience to most of those guys.

So from what I've experienced yes, Red is just like Blue but with PvP.

[webrunner5]

I must admit I am playing Red about 90% of the time now. But the problem I see with Red is you can get to top level in 2 weeks not even breaking a sweat. Then what the hell do you do? Now granted you can get your Jollies off Ganking people, which I still don't see the big deal about, but EQ has NEVER been equal about classes.

Like a total twink with a CoF and a Fungi taking on a noob at level 10 is a fair fight, yeah right. Wow I looted 82 copper. Big ass deal. To me just another person I am gunning for down the road and piss on him being in my group if I have anything to do with it. And I play healers a lot, and for some reason, known only to me, I seem to be the Leader most of the time. I DO keep a shit list Blue and Red. Always have. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hint, start a toon that starts with the letter Z. Takes me longer to go down my shit list to see if you are on it! Gee, my Complete Heal seemed to Fizzle on you, sorry lol, damn web lag.