What did people dislike most about luclin?

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's interesting because at least you understand that although you don't share his enthusiasm for raiding, you do recognize that he enjoys it just as you enjoy lowbie stuffs and that it's really just a matter of different perspectives.

What seems to be the trend though are the hardcore raiding types tend to look down on others who don't share their grand scheme of raiding mobs that require a zerg force following the screaming commands of pixel fiending neckbeards.

It's as if those who don't enjoy the raiding scene are lesser beings or something, lacking intellect and complexity because they enjoy lower level activities.

I too prefer the ambience of when I am leveling a character, from 1-59 basically.

What I have experienced in the raid scene here has only left me with disappointment and it has nothing to do with having trouble grasping how to play a higher lvl toon.

Lower level activities are easier to do solo or with a small group and lack the toxicity the raiding scene brings.

That's been my personal experience, anyway.

imo, small group activities require a lot more intellect and complexity than raiding activities, even at low levels.

Everyone in a group is expected to pull their own weight. You're expected to know and use your class abilities. People get shocked if you haven't bought Spell X or Ability Y. You can experiment with new things to do and new abilities you have learned and usually you will be rewarded for doing so.

In a raid most classes are gimped. For example, pet classes shouldn't use their pets. A cleric who isn't participating in the CH chain is probably wrong. Enchanters turn into buffbots. Mostly, you do a specific subset of activities that is restricted by your raid leader. Very few people on a raid use their class abilities as much as they could be. And indeed, most of the time you don't have to. The warrior who AFKs after he pops defensive is a real thing.

Some people like this, that's fine, I get the joy of killing something enormous and getting a shot at some BiS item. But other parts of the game are more enjoyable to me, so I prefer to focus on them.

I'm not really surprised that Daldaen doesn't understand, how could he? He's so focused on stuff with acronyms and his long ago progression through xpacs that most of us never cared about. But he's emblematic of the raiding mindset here, the kind of guys who think the server will just keel over if it doesn't Progress(tm), never understanding why other people might play EverQuest, notwithstanding that there's hundreds of other people in other zones every day doing things they like to do that aren't raiding.

[Naethyn]

Make p99 great again. Bring on Shadows of Luclin.

[mr_jon3s]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nexus Scion made porting less of a thing? Who the fuck cares. Telling a random druid to come get you is overrated.

I am playing on phinny and nexus scion does shit. If you didn't start on Odus or Faydwer you had to run to dreadlands or North Karanas to get to nexus. People still ask for pick ups and ports but usually its just to the nexus and then from there you get buffed and ask one of the many wizard/druids for a port to where ever you want to go.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by mr_jon3s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am playing on phinny and nexus scion does shit. If you didn't start on Odus or Faydwer you had to run to dreadlands or North Karanas to get to nexus. People still ask for pick ups and ports but usually its just to the nexus and then from there you get buffed and ask one of the many wizard/druids for a port to where ever you want to go.

This raises a point. People say Pok/nexus cut down on interaction, but actually they were great hubs to get buffs and find people to form new groups with.

[Brut]

Iunno, having one central where everyone flocks at is kinda meh.
Makes cities empty. See: PoKnowledge.

[big_ole_jpn]

cities are empty on p99, only exception is freeport due to tunnel

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imo, small group activities require a lot more intellect and complexity than raiding activities, even at low levels.

Everyone in a group is expected to pull their own weight. You're expected to know and use your class abilities. People get shocked if you haven't bought Spell X or Ability Y. You can experiment with new things to do and new abilities you have learned and usually you will be rewarded for doing so.

In a raid most classes are gimped. For example, pet classes shouldn't use their pets. A cleric who isn't participating in the CH chain is probably wrong. Enchanters turn into buffbots. Mostly, you do a specific subset of activities that is restricted by your raid leader. Very few people on a raid use their class abilities as much as they could be. And indeed, most of the time you don't have to. The warrior who AFKs after he pops defensive is a real thing.

Some people like this, that's fine, I get the joy of killing something enormous and getting a shot at some BiS item. But other parts of the game are more enjoyable to me, so I prefer to focus on them.

I'm not really surprised that Daldaen doesn't understand, how could he? He's so focused on stuff with acronyms and his long ago progression through xpacs that most of us never cared about. But he's emblematic of the raiding mindset here, the kind of guys who think the server will just keel over if it doesn't Progress(tm), never understanding why other people might play EverQuest, notwithstanding that there's hundreds of other people in other zones every day doing things they like to do that aren't raiding.

How much interaction do you really have with raiders on this server anyways? It's not like Detoxx is in Blackburrow yelling "CONCEDE!!" anytime you aggro a gnoll carrying a cracked staff.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by icedwards [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How much interaction do you really have with raiders on this server anyways? It's not like Detoxx is in Blackburrow yelling "CONCEDE!!" anytime you aggro a gnoll carrying a cracked staff.

Not much. I don't think you're understanding the context of that post though. I don't care if people raid, people should be allowed to do what they want to do. But when raiders come through all like, "I don't understand why people like doing these things that don't lead to raiding", or "why don't they like this xpac just because it killed these things that people shouldn't like doing", it's a little whatever.

[Maelstrom]

Originally Posted by Sprawlz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, I'm actually about done with EC. I'm sure people will miss that...special Sprawlz store.

We surely won't miss that price gouging. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not much. I don't think you're understanding the context of that post though. I don't care if people raid, people should be allowed to do what they want to do. But when raiders come through all like, "I don't understand why people like doing these things that don't lead to raiding", or "why don't they like this xpac just because it killed these things that people shouldn't like doing", it's a little whatever.

I don't think anyone's trying to tell you how to enjoy your time on this server. People, raiders or casuals, are entitled to whatever opinion they want about the future of the server. Anyone expecting content beyond Velious is setting themselves up for disappointment though.