Paradigm Shift Renounces Loot Coucil Fallacy And Embraces Loving DKP

[Nikkanu]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

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[Sonderbeast]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not, but neither do I hang around with people I don't trust or don't like. Hence you don't see me floating around in such guilds. As for the second bit of your post, of course there's a warning there. Accepting payment in company scrip is enough of a warning to me that I, again, won't tolerate it and hence you don't see me in such guilds. That's what I'm getting at--DKP solves problems which are I think more easily solved simply by not hanging out in those types of environments at all. I'm not interested in trying to make a crummy situation bearable, not for something I do for fun in my free time. I realize that some players want or need the higher-end pixels more than I do, so make a different choice when presented with the same situation. That's fine, no ill will here.

I'd like to add, I've not personally run into problems with loot council guilds, but I haven't been in a ton of them. The danger of corruption is obvious and research before joining is necessary. For example since I main a Shadow Knight I wouldn't join a LC guild where the guild leader had a known disdain for hybrids. I've also been in guilds that use open rolls and I'm fine with that too. Long story short, I find loot systems become simpler to manage and less a bout drama when pixel loot isn't such a driving concern in the first place.

Danth

I find it suspect that you are in a guild without any bad apples. The majority of all guilds are good people, it's the two or threes selfish bad apples in all guilds that cause the controversy and create problems.

Your statement about 'environments' seems to me ill informed, Aftermath isn't a toxic environment, and I'd bet that Tempest, AG, BG and the other DKP guilds are enjoyable as well - otherwise they wouldn't be guilds! There are toxic people in every guild and just like any troll online you ignore them. There are some awesome people who do more than enough to counterbalance it. DKP has nothing to do with the environment, it's about accountability for the leadership and a fair system to distribute the rare and sought after loot that we encounter weekly. That is why it is so successful.

If you don't want to advance your character in a game centered around character advancement, then that's your gameplay and it's fine, but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server. I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about. Grinding camps for loot and experience, I sincerely hope no one uses eq as an outlet for socialization.

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about.

you make it sound like anything outside "its for the pixels" is negative. many ways to enjoy the game.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you make it sound like anything outside "its for the pixels" is negative. many ways to enjoy the game.

Presumably it IS a negative to him. Lot of ways to enjoy the game, and I imagine he wouldn't enjoy it the same way I do. Works both ways; given a choice between raiding in temple veeshan or not playing, I'll pick the latter. Might as well be playing different games entirely--and that's one good thing about Velious. It divides up the content so I live in one part of the game, the high-end folks live in Temple Veeshan or wherever, and we don't really get in each other's way very often.

Danth

[Sonderbeast]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Presumably it IS a negative to him. Lot of ways to enjoy the game, and I imagine he wouldn't enjoy it the same way I do. Works both ways; given a choice between raiding in temple veeshan or not playing, I'll pick the latter. Might as well be playing different games entirely--and that's one good thing about Velious. It divides up the content so I live in one part of the game, the high-end folks live in Temple Veeshan or wherever, and we don't really get in each other's way very often.

Danth

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? I'm ridiculing the idea that items shouldn't be considered whatsoever, which is what was being implied and is often said as some sort of weird virtue signal.

That's another strange presumption that all I or other raiders do is hang out in ToV. Silly! Aside from the characters in my sig I have 4 other characters that are over level 45 for grouping and whatever.

If you want to be like Ivory and roleplay a sneaksy little gnome, I am 100% for you doing that. THAT is what you are suggesting, and you should do it. It's refreshing and creative, but that's not what you are suggesting at all. Sitting AFK in a shitty zone like Hate or Sky or leveling a million alts doesn't qualify you as being a virtuous anti pixel person, you're just exhibiting the same thing that you distaste in a different dispensation.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? I'm ridiculing the idea that items shouldn't be considered whatsoever, which is what was being implied and is often said as some sort of weird virtue signal.

Nah, none of that. Mis-understanding me a bit, but that's fair because other folks do quite often mean what you assumed. My usage of "negative" isn't an insult or some silly virtue signal (which I agree is ridiculous in a video game), but rather I mean negative in the simple sense that it isn't your own primary mode of gameplay.

Danth

[Check12345]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So how did this flip to me saying not playing for loot is negative? dispensation.

because nerds
it's always the answer

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

virtue signal.

anytime pixels are involved there will be signaling. shootin laser beams into the sky

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I would be hesitant to apply that perspective to the whole of the player-base for this server.

I don't. Speaking only for myself here and haven't claimed otherwise.


Danth

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laugh when I hear statements like "don't make it about the loot" because that's literally what the game is about. Grinding camps for loot and experience, I sincerely hope no one uses eq as an outlet for socialization.