Thoughts on end game raiding

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not just testing.

There are even more considerations you're ignoring. For instance, they intend to release another server at some point. You want them to just flip values in a tool of choice instead of writing a script? Hopefully this one gets remembered.

When a change is promoted, in source control it likely needs to be flagged:

• This is a bug that should never have been on P99 and could go in with the release of a new server.
• This is P99 Custom Content (the change you're suggesting)
• This is being released as part of a patch Verant released in the original timeline

I have no idea how they're doing it, but I would take this sort of stuff into consideration, and this is off the top of my head. They've had time to give this more thought, and there is likely more rigor around it than for which I'm giving credit.

It's not a 30 minute, or as you now say 3 minute change. There is no such thing. What you're giving is just a bad estimate.

I don't know whether it would take 2 hours, 4 hours, 8 hours, a weekend, what. I don't know their level of rigor. But I would hope it's more than what you're suggesting.

The reason they (the devs) have it so complicated is because they wanted it so complicated, when trying to keep "classic" something that hasn't been classic for a very long time.
If devs would concentrate on doing what is reasonable instead of this time frozen "classic" attitude, we wound't had all these problems and this ridiculously over-complicated solutions.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sure sound like a genius. You should apply to code for the project. I'm sure we'll see Luclin release in a few days with your skill.

a) easily
b) I have better things to do with my time
c) Luclin isn't "classic"

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Castigate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are people even entering the idea of putting Evade (leash distance) in P99? Go play one of the million vanilla WoW servers if you want that shit. Even rooting the dragons would be more classic.

Better solution would be actually trying to get involved rather than acting like you've been conditioned to not even try unless opportunity is handed to you.
At least in BDAs day the weaker guilds put in some effort to contest while advocating rotations, and lo and behold it bore fruit with the class system. None of y'all doing it now even show up.
At work would you want the laziest person making the decisions?

You're missing the point. You are a loser for caring about the game and putting time into to acquire the best loot.

Because the people who want rotations are not losers, they have much better things to be doing than staring at walls, they should also get loot because they are just cooler than you.

You are a toxic person for caring more about the game and you shouldn't be rewarded for the time you put in, loser.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a) easily
b) I have better things to do with my time
c) Luclin isn't "classic"

I dont understand. you said it only takes 30 minutes. You don't have half an hour to solve all of our problems?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont understand. you said it only takes 30 minutes. You don't have half an hour to solve all of our problems?

30 min to implement changes requested by the poster I referred to.
Few days is to release Luclin.
There is also an issue of persuading Rogean/Nilbog to appoint me head dev with 100% authority over the project. This is one is on you.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason they (the devs) have it so complicated is because they wanted it so complicated, when trying to keep "classic" something that hasn't been classic for a very long time.
If devs would concentrate on doing what is reasonable instead of this time frozen "classic" attitude, we wound't had all these problems and this ridiculously over-complicated solutions.

What I’m describing is not overcomplicated. These are normal concerns in software engineering.

If you’re having trouble understanding the importance of a reasonably normal SDLC, you should not be making estimates.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I’m describing is not overcomplicated. These are normal concerns in software engineering.

If you’re having trouble understanding the importance of a reasonably normal SDLC, you should not be making estimates.

Except you not creating a server code from scratch - you making MINOR DB level alterations. The server isn't going to crash if you set a mod to a "leash" - a code which was created and tested years ago. The only unknown here is how it will affect raiding and how players will deal with it. And the only way to test those is to release to public and observe the result, because P99 doesn't have 2,000 men internal testig team.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except you not creating a server code from scratch - you making MINOR DB level alterations. The server isn't going to crash if you set a mod to a "leash" - a code which was created and tested years ago. The only unknown here is how it will affect raiding and how players will deal with it. And the only way to test those is to release to public and observe the result, because P99 doesn't have 2,000 men internal testig team.

It's not an issue of the "server crashing".

There are standards you follow and you follow them for a reason. Every time. You don't develop bad habits.

I've given you several examples of reasons why this would be applicable even in this case. You're ignoring them because you don't want your initial post to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong sometimes.

And again, I don't profess to know the level of rigor that goes into changes made by devs here, but there is no way I'd be as dismissive as you with the attitude of: "That's a 30 minute change, why haven't they done it yet."

[aaezil]

why are you weirdos arguing about off topic stuff in this thread lmao?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not an issue of the "server crashing".

There are standards you follow and you follow them for a reason. Every time. You don't develop bad habits.

I've given you several examples of reasons why this would be applicable even in this case. You're ignoring them because you don't want your initial post to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong sometimes.

And again, I don't profess to know the level of rigor that goes into changes made by devs here, but there is no way I'd be as dismissive as you with the attitude of: "That's a 30 minute change, why haven't they done it yet."

I know how SDLC works and why its important. But again - are you really going to go trough all this steps and months of reviews when you want to adjust drop rate of Rusty Dagger from 2.5% to 2.51%? I mean seriously?

And the real reason why "they haven't done't it yet" - is because shit isn't "classic". But not because they do not have the manpower of putting a Leash flag on a dozen of dragons in NTOV