Wizards! Do you regret it?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dmg/mana efficiency of DD's is better on higher level nukes.

While the nukes themselves are "more efficient", the Wizard themself in relation to the actual game is far less efficient as they get to the higher levels. MOBs have MUCH higher resists and HP in relation to the nukes, when compared to the lower levels, and thus they become a lot less effective. Especially in comparison to the damage melee classes will do.

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's all about me, people. Ayn Rand was right about you parasites. What are you, pinko commie faggots who watch MSNBC, or something.

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Do you even understand that a "commie" supports a more equalized distribution of resources across society? Thus, it's not about them (that would be capitalism) but rather what's best for everyone as a whole? Of course, such a form of a governance has been better in theory than practice. Many of the other European countries, and Canada, have the right idea though.

Anyway, I'm all about helping people. But sometimes a person just wants to focus on work and reap the benefits. I'm soooooo sure you give money to every single person that comes up to you on the street, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention my argument of how it negatively impacts the game if you were to just always hand out free buffs to everyone and thus make grouping less relevant.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While the nukes themselves are "more efficient", the Wizard themself in relation to the actual game is far less efficient as they get to the higher levels. MOBs have MUCH higher resists and HP in relation to the nukes, when compared to the lower levels, and thus they become a lot less effective. Especially in comparison to the damage melee classes will do.

True, though its a "feel" kind of thing. Like at 51 in Seb/Chardok the new draught gets resisted, at 55+ not so much. A smart wizard will do what he has to do to make it work.

But even then you are low on the table when it comes to continuous dps.

I like my wizard, a class I didn't play on Live, but I never expected that I'd basically be forced to quad my way through Kunark, getting in the occasional AE group when I can.

[Trademaster]

I've got to say, I'm very glad that Zuranthium was not a part of developing the "vision" of what EQ is supposed to be.

And darn it if as I was sitting back in the tunnel from nek forest to lavastorm (killing the stone guardians, and single guard in lazy mode while cleaning house) I kept getting random buffs by complete strangers as they wandered by. I much prefer the happy friendly, helpful atmosphere of the Project 1999 server over the greedy, selfish ideal that Zuranthium strives for.

Complete strangers, not grouped with me, being nice. Imagine the possibilities.

[Zuranthium]

When you go into a store you have to pay for things. You don't get to freaking walk up to the clerk and say "give me this and this and that" and have it handed to you.

I'm completely in favor of a friendly, helpful atmosphere. Just not in the way you perceive it. Buffs are a bad game mechanic and when used improperly I see it the same as using a cheat code.

If I'm not busy then I will hand out buffs to people when I see fit (if you're a class I feel sorry for then that will likely weigh into the decision). Sometimes even if I am busy, depending on the scenario. I especially like to help low level people who are new to the game, not just in terms of buffs but also cash and/or helping you break camps that you need help with. If you roleplay then that makes me all the more likely to help you, as it shows you are actually engaging in part of what the game is supposed to be.

I'm almost surely not going to give you shit if you walk up to me in overly twinked-out gear, though. You've already used a cheat code by doing so and are in fact HURTING the "friendly, helpful" atmosphere of the game by playing as a twink rather than actually interacting with other people of your level and playing the content as it was designed for people at those levels. I'm certainly not going to give out many free buffs when we are in a 50+ dungeon either. You need to be especially nice/interesting (roleplaying helps there) if you want a free hand out from me, as that shows as an actual interaction and respect for CLASSIC EVERQUEST.

[Doors]

Classic everquest is not a grocery store.

Roleplay is gay.

People who are twinked have done the classic from nothing grind already.

[visage]

You know he makes some valid points. It is good to see he has his own set of values for the game and sticks with them. Regardless, on how others dislike them. I for one admire that. I don't agree, or would do in a lot of the things he is saying , but I definetly see his point. We all love this game for different aspects. It is always refreshing to see others having different opinions and liking it for how they see fit. Kudos to you friend. Don't let being different ware you down. Social coniditioning in Eq is very real.

[Motec]

You wont clarity a random? I am happy to rez anyone anytime within reason as long as it doesnt affect my groups xp substantially. That 700 mana is only 1000dmg or so considering resists so I dont mind in the slightest unless im extremely under the pump. Even then they can just wait ten minutes and ill usually find some mana [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I do laugh at is an enchanter who wont cast a 75 mana spell on a random who asks. I'll happily symbol/hero a chanter for c2 just out of principle and building that repor usually means future relationships are more likely. If you've played 1-60 on several new servers you would have a different attitude as specifically being kind, generous, and dedicated to doing your job the best gets you places that being an arrogant arse does not.

As for waka, everything you describe is flat out wrong and inefficient. If a wizzard is doing absolutely anything aside from medding in between nukes they shouldnt be a wiz. They serve zero purpose to a group. I'll happily tell wizzies off for looting (ill throw them a couple of gems or ruby crowns at end) as a missed tic of med is a tangible loss in dps. Its that simple. A rogue for instance does not have this problem, as post exp message they can do handstands in kilts for all I give a hoot.

You're right, some people treat this game like a job. I am also fairly regimented in most of life so why be any different in a game? Whats so wrong with making the most of my time? Less time spent being inefficient = more time to goof around later on. Its 6 of one or a half dozen of the other, but id rather make time I set aside to achieve a goal be used most efficiently.

As for brilliance etc on a cleric. You realise higher overall manapool = higher disposable damage? I on average nuke more than heal in a well functioning group and for the inevitable 2-3mins of afk where I hit FM, thats a free nuke/stun/whatever. Thats the difference between a wipe and a win when your enchanter chain roots to try and drop aggro (this was lol worthy) so specifically once in the last 3 days I know that one buffed saved an hour of CR. For the same reason everyone gets at least a hp buff, more total hp in group = more damage when shit hits the fan, and more options for a smart cleric to do his job in making shit right.

And finally. Twinks. My twink rogue is better geared than most rogues on the server and I will group with anyone twink or not, and if theyre not they get to loot absolutely everything and get a massive boost to their xp etc, get to know a higher level who is happy to rez/buff etc them whenever and generally you encounter some cool people. This server is so good for random encounters; for instance just goofing around farming efreeti the other week to waste time we found a mid level chanter, dropped the 60 from group and got him a shitload of xp and lewt, found out he is a cool dude and an ex cleric from live. Now he's a member of the guild. What an awesome find, just from asking for clarity from a random dude then realising we can help out.

The social aspect is so awesome here, but maybe its just that like minded people attract and those of us who have done it all before several times tend to attract eachother in a way a wizzie offering to pull and slow me down, or an enchanter who does not think more than one step ahead does not.

I really do feel sorry for anyone who rolls a wizzie and doesnt know their job. I feel especially sorry for those that know their job and arent geared out the teeth as thats the only way you become a value add as a wizzie in kunark. Its an issue of class balance, nothing personal.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for brilliance etc on a cleric. You realise higher overall manapool = higher disposable damage? I on average nuke more than heal in a well functioning group and for the inevitable 2-3mins of afk where I hit FM, thats a free nuke/stun/whatever.

If you are nuking more than you are healing in a well functioning group as a Cleric, then it's not actually that great of a group (unless you're lower level and fighting undead). The group should be constantly pulling, you should be doing nothing but healing and possibly rooting or stunning casters, and you should never hit full mana. Even if you go AFK and med to full, the added benefit of Brilliance would give you an extra 30 mana. It costs over a 100 for me to cast. So, nope, I'm not going to waste my effort and mana to mem and cast that spell on you, just so that you can have another little icon sitting there on your buff/debuff box.

[Messianic]

"Fizzler on the roof," LOL - whoever made that tag is a genius


Anyhow, you can sum up this thread by saying that wizards are good at two things - Quadding at certain level ranges for fast exping, and manadumping on raid bosses. A minor mention for chain stunning caster mobs.

Anything else and you're likely better off with any other class.

[Motec]

heh. you has no idea sirz. plz read more prima guide and display your wisdom for all of us