SK Race question + item help (have never played a tank)

[Ripqozko]

Ah shit, here we go again

[Snaggles]

66 second 40% free snare on a 5 second click time.
18 second free fear on a 7 second click time

Twelve seconds of clicking so you can get maybe two combat rounds i before you have to boot click again.

The best part of a SK is hitting level 49 and never having to cast fear or engulfing again. If you aren’t a lizard you might as well have BE pieces but come on.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You get more benfit from the mana saved than Greenmist. Blood Ember is better in most cases.

No one has said you can't solo to 60 on an Iksar[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't hate iksars at all. I have an Iksar Monk. Iksars are amazing Necros/Monks, and bad Warriors/Shamans/Shadowknights. Losing Kunark plate is a big sacrifice.

Losing kunark gear is not a big deal. Velious gear is better and wearable by iksars.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SKs are the worst raiding class in the game, and the MR is mostly only going to matter in raiding. Most group content doesn't need 255 MR. I wouldn't try to Min/Max for raiding as an SK.

Despite the fact that sks are bad raiders is irrelevant to the discussion of min/maxing. Iksars make the best raiding shamans, warriors, sks at 60, and arguably the best non raiding too. Just because you only solo and enjoy the kunark clickies doesn’t make iksars a bad choice. Greenmist and regen will still save you a lot of downtime.

Your bias really shows here, as you continue to spread false information. Blood ember is nice for saving mana, but it’s not the end all be all.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Losing kunark gear is not a big deal. Velious gear is better and wearable by iksars.

The clickies are the important part. They will help you more with soloing than Greenmist. When raiding, neither Blood Ember or Greenmist are needed/required. It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Despite the fact that sks are bad raiders is irrelevant to the discussion of min/maxing. Iksars make the best raiding shamans, warriors, sks at 60, and arguably the best non raiding too. Just because you only solo and enjoy the kunark clickies doesn’t make iksars a bad choice. Greenmist and regen will still save you a lot of downtime.

Your bias really shows here, as you continue to spread false information.

It isn't irrelevant, because min/maxing for raiding on an SK is pointless. You are going to be switching to another character most of the time.

I really don't understand this silly idea of "showing bias". Everybody does that, because everybody has an opinion. You are doing it too! The difference is my opinions are actually based on math and facts[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please stop saying I am "spreading false information" without actual evidence for your claims.

Factually speaking Blood Ember saves you more time soloing than Greenmist.

[Ripqozko]

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Sweeper41 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not having Blood Ember gloves is not a huge problem for Iksar. It's a none issue. Sure you'll save some mana but its not going to matter in the long run. I solo'ed all the way to 60 without blood ember or a fungi or a crown. This dude just hates Iksar. He shits on them every chance he gets while not even getting to 60 on his sk.

Yeah, the mana cost of Engulfing Darkness is 100% negligible. Twice the cast time, though, so it sucks.

Zero advantage to blood ember armor besides legs giving a third FD for when the first two fail and are on cooldown. Rare scenario that I'm willing to overlook to play a better race.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The clickies are the important part. They will help you more with soloing than Greenmist. When raiding, neither Blood Ember or Greenmist are needed/required. It's really that simple.

Nothing is needed or required for anything. You don't need BE for soloing either. This has to be the worst point I've ever heard you make. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as you can still talk about marginal benefits. An iksar is still the best raiding SK due to greenmist resists, AC bonus, & regen. It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't irrelevant, because min/maxing for raiding on an SK is pointless. You are going to be switching to another character most of the time.

I really don't understand this silly idea of "showing bias". Everybody does that, because everybody has an opinion. You are doing it too! The difference is my opinions are actually based on math and facts[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please stop saying I am "spreading false information" without actual evidence for your claims.

Factually speaking Blood Ember saves you more time soloing than Greenmist.

You stated iksars make bad shamans, sks, warriors. This is factually incorrect, as they make the best raiding shamans, sks, and warriors, and arguably the best grouping shamana/sks/warriors as well. You can even make a case for them being the best soloing versions as well. Kunark clickies have nothing to do with "best" when talking about min max at 60. It's really that simple.

The only thing factually correct that you've stated is the benefit of blood ember saving mana. While kunark clickies are nice, they are not the sole determining factor if you're trying to min max a race.

Pretty much all of your claims are "best solo benefit at 60 = best race to play for said class". These are opinions based on incorrect math, as not everyone spends 99-100% of their time soloing like you do.

[Jimjam]

I have troll sk with most of the be clickies (just lacking boots afaik). They get use, but it doesn’t open up a whole nother level. I wouldn’t say my toon would be ‘bad’ without them.

[Jobaber]

as long as we all agree the only shaman on a raid should be logged into for buffs, right?

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[Snaggles]

In a grind group who even casts engulfing? Clinging does the trick and if you land it at half health it will last the duration of the kill. Dooming lasts 50% longer and snares 50% slower for fear-kiting, I’d burn the 60 extra mana to have to do less casting.