How did they get this game so right?

[magnetaress]

Modern games are gambling simulators designed like those mobile games where u gamble for credits. Designed not to simulate a world and tell a story. They are designed to put you in a skinner box and milk you for "points", points u can usually get through purchasing other points.

Sadly this is a failing of the human species and it isn't just games that do this. Until there is an evolution of our brains and a successful revolution and renaissance. Things won't change much, just be greatful one of projects and art exists every few decades.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Tushy_master [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It had to be luck right? Or was Brad a genius?

They were basically just ripping of DnD and MUDs. But so many other mmorpgs sucked ass.

I mean objectively they didn't get very much right as it's not very popular right now. Many other old games are way more popular. How did they get so much right for its time, until other games did it better? They were just one of the first RPG games to do a 3D world. That was really the only innovative thing they did. Everything else was a direct ripoff of pre existing fantasy lore and DnD mechanics.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean objectively they didn't get very much right as it's not very popular right now. Many other old games are way more popular. How did they get so much right for its time, until other games did it better? They were just one of the first RPG games to do a 3D world. That was really the only innovative thing they did. Everything else was a direct ripoff of pre existing fantasy lore and DnD mechanics.

I think it's kind of sad that you equate 'getting it right' with 'being popular' as those are not at all the same.

EQ1 was a stepping stone to the next step of pc online rpg games, and it was a huge step. World of Warcraft took what EQ1 did and took another giant step. So of course very few people want to go back multiple steps behind the current MMORPG landscape and play EQ1 when so many new features have been introduced in modern games.

but to just say EQ1 wasnt good just because it's not currently popular is a laughably disingenuous take.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's kind of sad that you equate 'getting it right' with 'being popular' as those are not at all the same.

EQ1 was a stepping stone to the next step of pc online rpg games, and it was a huge step. World of Warcraft took what EQ1 did and took another giant step. So of course very few people want to go back multiple steps behind the current MMORPG landscape and play EQ1 when so many new features have been introduced in modern games.

but to just say EQ1 wasnt good just because it's not currently popular is a laughably disingenuous take.

There is no other measure of getting it right other than market appeal. If you use any other metric then it's just your personal opinion. You also don't know what the definition of disingenuous is.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no other measure of getting it right other than market appeal. If you use any other metric then it's just your personal opinion. You also don't know what the definition of disingenuous is.

Oh man the irony of this comment. You gotta be trolling.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no other measure of getting it right other than market appeal. If you use any other metric then it's just your personal opinion. You also don't know what the definition of disingenuous is.

Lol this is like babby's first foray into the concept of subjectivity in art.

If you figure out how to min\max your exploitation of modern tech and the brain's reward system so that a bunch of whales play your crappy game, it's still a crappy game.

There's a reason p99 exists. There's a reason so many people still play diablo 2, nobody cares about diablo 3, and diablo 4 is another battlepass microtransaction hellworld that everyone will also soon forget. I have my doubts that in 2050 there's gonna be "Project 2023" where you get to relive the magic of vanilla diablo 4!

See, many people have an aversion to the modern model because it's a shit model and everyone hates it but whales, is the thing.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol this is like babby's first foray into the concept of subjectivity in art.

If you figure out how to min\max your exploitation of modern tech and the brain's reward system so that a bunch of whales play your crappy game, it's still a crappy game.

There's a reason p99 exists. There's a reason so many people still play diablo 2, nobody cares about diablo 3, and diablo 4 is another battlepass microtransaction hellworld that everyone will also soon forget. I have my doubts that in 2050 there's gonna be "Project 2023" where you get to relive the magic of vanilla diablo 4!

See, many people have an aversion to the modern model because it's a shit model and everyone hates it but whales, is the thing.

Younger generations don’t know what the “old way” is like. They like what they grew up with. For us it was EQ

But to say “many people” is a vague overstatement. In the grand scheme of MMO players, p99 has a whole few thousand. With at most maybe 1500 concurrent. Across all classic MMOs? It’s the same demographic. 40 year old men and their families/children who played with them back when

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol this is like babby's first foray into the concept of subjectivity in art.

If you figure out how to min\max your exploitation of modern tech and the brain's reward system so that a bunch of whales play your crappy game, it's still a crappy game.

There's a reason p99 exists. There's a reason so many people still play diablo 2, nobody cares about diablo 3, and diablo 4 is another battlepass microtransaction hellworld that everyone will also soon forget. I have my doubts that in 2050 there's gonna be "Project 2023" where you get to relive the magic of vanilla diablo 4!

See, many people have an aversion to the modern model because it's a shit model and everyone hates it but whales, is the thing.

If you had two neurons to rub together you'd realize you're proving my point. You said the fact that p99 exists and some people remember it fondly is all the evidence you need. In reality it's played by less than a thousand fat middle aged fucks at most plus their bots. Whereas most games have millions and tens of millions of players. If p99 costed money there'd be even less and probably 0 enthusiasts.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no other measure of getting it right other than market appeal. If you use any other metric then it's just your personal opinion. You also don't know what the definition of disingenuous is.

Whats popular is often dogwater. See: music, film, video game, fashion, food, literally anything consumerized to hell.

[A Knight]

I'd play diablo 1, but the CD doesn't work. Even though its not scratched at all.