shaman duo

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s ok to be frustrated at people but let’s not even elude to the fact a shaman can DPS with the epic. It’s a 9 second cast and 90 second duration that scales the longer it lasts (ie: not the best dps tool for short fights). Best case in 99 seconds if not resisted it will do 14.39 dps. That doesn’t even count time to root stuff.

You would have to run 5x dots concurrently to do 71dps and with varying timers. Meanwhile with most fights being 30 seconds or so a real dps could have done that to three individual mobs in the same duration and reduced the total npc count.

There are a few things wrong with this logic.

1. A Shaman/SK duo is not killing mobs every 30 seconds when they are level 50+, which is when the Shaman would be using their Epic. If your group is killing one mob every 30 seconds, you already have enough DPS in your group.

2. Using your own calculation of 71 DPS on 5 dotted mobs, that is the equivalent of a max level water pet with full buffs and muzzle that is backstabbing. That means your Shaman with Epic is a mage pet + all of the utility a shaman has to offer. You could also include your Shaman pet for another 15ish DPS if you are comfortable controlling them while doing other things.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a few things wrong with this logic.

1. A Shaman/SK duo is not killing mobs every 30 seconds when they are level 50+, which is when the Shaman would be using their Epic. If your group is killing one mob every 30 seconds, you already have enough DPS in your group.

2. Using your own calculation of 71 DPS on 5 dotted mobs, that is the equivalent of a max level water pet with full buffs and muzzle that is backstabbing. That means your Shaman with Epic is a mage pet + all of the utility a shaman has to offer. You could also include your Shaman pet for another 15ish DPS if you are comfortable controlling them while doing other things.

Both points are total fallacies btw. But we already know this so no need to explain why.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both points are total fallacies btw. But we already know this so no need to explain why.

You can't explain why you think what I said are fallacies. That is why you "don't need to explain it". Nice excuse lol. It's painfully obvious to see you have nothing to back up your claims.

Please explain if you actually have a point to make. Otherwise you are just spouting nonsense as a hail mary, and hope that people believe it.

[Toxigen]

well im leaving early today, ill see this thread at 20+ pages on monday

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a few things wrong with this logic.

1. A Shaman/SK duo is not killing mobs every 30 seconds when they are level 50+, which is when the Shaman would be using their Epic. If your group is killing one mob every 30 seconds, you already have enough DPS in your group.

2. Using your own calculation of 71 DPS on 5 dotted mobs, that is the equivalent of a max level water pet with full buffs and muzzle that is backstabbing. That means your Shaman with Epic is a mage pet + all of the utility a shaman has to offer. You could also include your Shaman pet for another 15ish DPS if you are comfortable controlling them while doing other things.

I responded to your post talking about a shaman in a GROUP doing DPS and you quote me and insert a scenario where it’s a SK duo. See how that’s problematic? I didn’t assume a duo was burning down geos in 30 seconds, lol. However, if killing nobles or bards in HK 30 second kills are very easy.

Because I’m a glutton for punishment I’ll respond in good faith to this new premise:

1. Don’t refer to a shaman as “dps” if with a SK duo. Just dont. By any stretch of the definition it’s a toddler bragging about whose dad is “stronger”. A free 14dps dot is like less than half of the SK pet.

2. 71 dps between 5 mobs is not the same as on one target. By doing that feat of clicking you are speeding up the overall kill time but not as much as you think. Rerooting, heals, just in general it’s a PITA. I had 5 geos in camp with a duo (I was PL’ing) last night, I did not steal one kill from a 56 ranger even with my pet and epic dotting constantly.

In a group of two (lol) if the SK is doing 50dps, their pet is doing 25’ish DPS, and a shaman is doing 14dps and let’s say mixing in JBB’s when possible can bump that to 30dps (would have to be clicking JBB 50% of the time uninterrupted)….guess what? You are still not the dps of the group. Only adding a bit more.

[Ripqozko]

I’m gonna need 3 hours of logs posted here to prove this, don’t send parses only logs. The burden of proof is on you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I responded to your post talking about a shaman in a GROUP doing DPS and you quote me and insert a scenario where it’s a SK duo. See how that’s problematic? I didn’t assume a duo was burning down geos in 30 seconds, lol. However, if killing nobles or bards in HK 30 second kills are very easy.

You do realize the topic is about a Shaman/X duo, correct? I am not inserting a scenario, I am sticking to the topic at hand. The only problem here is other posters keep bringing in off-topic discussions because they are salty about another thread.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Don’t refer to a shaman as “dps” if with a SK duo. Just dont. By any stretch of the definition it’s a toddler bragging about whose dad is “stronger”. A free 14dps dot is like less than half of the SK pet.

I didn't refer to a Shaman as a DPS class. I said they can do good DPS, which is factually true. I am not sure why people have this idea that only DPS classes can output good DPS. If the numbers show a class can output good DPS, it doesn't matter what their class specification is. An Enchanter isn't designated as a DPS class either, but they do great DPS.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. 71 dps between 5 mobs is not the same as on one target. By doing that feat of clicking you are speeding up the overall kill time but not as much as you think. Rerooting, heals, just in general it’s a PITA. I had 5 geos in camp with a duo (I was PL’ing) last night, I did not steal one kill from a 56 ranger even with my pet and epic dotting constantly.

DPS is DPS. It is the same thing. Just look at the math. If your group does 100 DPS to a single target, and you have 5 mobs rooted in camp with 4000 HP each, it will take 200 seconds to kill all 5 mobs, fighting them one at a time.

Two rounds of Epic DoTs will deal 2850 damage to each of the 5 targets over 220 seconds if you include the first round's casting time for each Epic click. If your SK does 50 DPS, they only need to fight each mob for 30 seconds roughly speaking while the DoTs are ticking. You just need the SK to switch targets every 30 seconds or so to get the DPS needed to kill each mob including the two rounds of DoTs. The strategy differs slightly, but the results are the same.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a group of two (lol) if the SK is doing 50dps, their pet is doing 25’ish DPS, and a shaman is doing 14dps and let’s say mixing in JBB’s when possible can bump that to 30dps (would have to be clicking JBB 50% of the time uninterrupted)….guess what? You are still not the dps of the group. Only adding a bit more.

Your Shaman numbers are way off. You are just pulling them out of thin air lol.

Let's say the duo perfers to fight one mob at a time. The mobs in the area have 4000 HP each, and the SK does 70 DPS including the pet.

1. EBolt does 128 damage per tick over 8 ticks if you include the initial 146 damage divided by 8.
2. Hasted level 55 Shaman pet does around 100 damage per tick.
3. JBB does 128 damage per tick over 6 ticks if you cast it three times.
4. Using the numbers above, the Shaman is doing 356 damage per tick. That is 59 DPS.
5. The SK + pet does 420 damage per tick.

The mob would go down in roughly 6 ticks if they are taking 776 damage per tick. The Shaman is doing roughly 85% of the SK's damage using the strategy above. This strategy is similar to what I did when I was soloing with JBB on my Shaman while leveling. It 100% works fine. This is also not including the DPS increase the SK/SK pet get from the Shaman's Haste spell. With haste that probably ends up closing the DPS gap, which means the Shaman is effectively doubling the duo's DPS.

However, a mid 50s Shaman with Epic can do more than 59 DPS by root rotting 4+ targets instead of single targeting with JBB. So you might as well take advantage of that fact if you have Epic, because you will increase your DPS further.

[Snaggles]

If you think 14 dps off shaman epic is “good dps” I’m not sure how to explain it any better.

In that regard, bards are the best dps class because they can swarm 25npcs at once without a tick of mana. That’s like 1500dmg every 6 seconds. Maybe bards and shamans should duo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think 14 dps off shaman epic is “good dps” I’m not sure how to explain it any better.

In that regard, bards are the best dps class because they can swarm 25npcs at once without a tick of mana. That’s like 1500dmg every 6 seconds. Maybe bards and shamans should duo.

Yes, bards do really good DPS when swarming. You have the right idea now. That is why they power level people. I don't know how much damage per tick a bard can do when swarming. Looking at their spells, one of their PBAoE spells does 30 damage per tick. That means if they only use 1 PBAoE spell, they are doing 30 x 25 = 750 per tick, or 125 DPS. If you are inferring the 1500 damage comes from using 2x PBAoE spells, that means the bard is doing 250 DPS while swarming. Hasted Rogues that are backstabbing are doing 120ish DPS to normal mobs if they are using Epic in their main hand.

More simultaneous DoTs = More DPS. Each individual mob in a bard swarm is only taking 5 DPS. But 5 multiplied by 25 is 125.

[Snaggles]

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