Shadow knight aggro

[Snaggles]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seek help.

Yes, seek help at learning to read better. There is nothing in that quote that says they are equally as good. Me listing out the benefits of spamming taunt is not me saying that one strategy is superior over the other. Again, I am refuting the idea that spamming taunt has no value.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

There is very little opportunity cost at using a low success 6 second cooldown skill. Especially since a Knight is not relying on taunt to begin with. If taunt had a 30 second cooldown with a high chance of success I would agree with you.

[PatChapp]

What kind of APM are we talking about here for knight classes.
1 spell,auto attack and watch?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason either utilization of Taunt works is because it's a minor ability for a shadowknight (or paladin) in the first place. You could take it off your ability bar entirely and you'd barely notice. It isn't fair to call taunt-spam unworkable when it's standard practice for pretty well all leveling tanks who need to spam it to level the skill. At the same time, it's ineffective for anything *but* leveling the skill since +1 aggro (when the tank already has aggro) is next-to-nothing and meaningless in practice. Pushing it when you have maxed skill amounts to, more or less, doing something because you want to feel like you're doing something. It doesn't hurt, but isn't helping either.

For my part I regard taunt as typically not worth the button press except where I'm using it to even up aggro on a mezzed mob or for peeling something someone else had a large threat lead on. Even in those types of situations I never *count* on it working--it's just a nice bonus, when it works. Same for the rare occasions an overzealous group member or partner might pull aggro--sure I'll hit taunt, but I'm also casting proper high-threat spells, and never assuming taunt will work. Nice when it does, but that is all. A knight doesn't need taunt for holding threat, and if he does, he's a poor knight.

Some tank players will macro disarm and beg together for whatever little threat it generates.

(edit) Just don't keep mashing taunt when you're not the only tank present, and not supposed to be the one mainly getting hit. Sometimes it can be an issue with freshly-leveled tanks used to mashing it. Constantly ping-ponging aggro gets annoying in a hurry. I presume everyone reading these posts already knows this.

like i said way back , taunt is great for +1 when you arent the main tank and re establishing threat as you havent began to cast 30x into the mob. the +1 can help you get up before you start spamming spells. spamming taunt is dumb. its a case use thing to help establish your threat if you werent the one tanking first, otherwise knights aint losing it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like i said way back , taunt is great for +1 when you arent the main tank and re establishing threat as you havent began to cast 30x into the mob. the +1 can help you get up before you start spamming spells. spamming taunt is dumb. its a case use thing to help establish your threat if you werent the one tanking first, otherwise knights aint losing it.

You are still unable to explain why it is dumb. Simply saying it is dumb isn't an argument unfortunately. You are acting like Z right now.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are still unable to explain why it is dumb. Simply saying it is dumb isn't an argument unfortunately. You are acting like Z right now.

dont project, every single one of your threads is the same. its dumb because +1 isnt helping you, its a tool used to put yourself +1 which is nice if you are picking up off a dead tank. is it hurting you to spam? no, its it helping you? no. its just dumb like your whole point of view in 99% of these threads. You spam over and over a dumb point of view and always try to be right and last. good luck to you and kittens.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dont project, every single one of your threads is the same. its dumb because +1 isnt helping you, its a tool used to put yourself +1 which is nice if you are picking up off a dead tank. is it hurting you to spam? no, its it helping you? no. its just dumb like your whole point of view in 99% of these threads. You spam over and over a dumb point of view and always try to be right and last. good luck to you and kittens.

It does help you. You have a percent chance for taunt to work when needed if you spam it. Ignoring that fact is silly. Not pressing taunt at all is when you get nothing.

[Snaggles]

Shadow Votex does like 1000x more threat for 40 mana and the same amount of clicks.
Only one situation will taunt peel as good or better and it’s not the one you care to wait for. If you did, you might be able to save some mana since DC is currently broken.

Continue to use taunt incorrectly. It doesn’t matter. Hit begging, disarm, and fishing too while you’re at it. I prob won’t even put it on my bar but it’s funny to think you’re mashing it off CD thinking it’s helping.

Edit: I just realized randomly taunting in hopes it would work to your benefit (the fraction of a second you aren’t top threat) is the same argument you used for FSI. I take it all back and want off this ride. See you on page 30.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shadow Votex does like 1000x more threat for 40 mana and the same amount of clicks.
Only one situation will taunt peel as good or better and it’s not the one you care to wait for. If you did, you might be able to save some mana since DC is currently broken.

Continue to use taunt incorrectly. It doesn’t matter. Hit begging, disarm, and fishing too while you’re at it. I prob won’t even put it on my bar but it’s funny to think you’re mashing it off CD thinking it’s helping.

Edit: I just realized randomly taunting in hopes it would work to your benefit (the fraction of a second you aren’t too threat) is the same argument you used for FSI. I take it all back and want off this ride. See you on page 30.

Yes, snap agro is better than taunt. Nobody has said otherwise.

Spamming taunt is not incorrect usage. Please stop spreading misinformation. The only way to misuse taunt is to taunt when you shouldn't be trying to get agro.

Spamming taunt is generating more agro and giving you a chance to taunt at the right time. That is better than not using taunt and getting nothing. You can always switch to strategic taunt usage if your group needs it. Your group is not going to wipe because taunt is 2 seconds from coming off cooldown when you lose agro.

Yes, FSI is good too. Having a chance to avoid getting a slow interrupted is better than not having that chance.

Your idea that zero is better than non-zero is silly.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am just calling you out for the troll you are. If you are getting tired of people exposing your trolling, the solution is to stop trolling.

Stick to the topic at hand and explain why you think I am wrong. It's really that simple.

I mean, does it even need to be explained at this point? Taunt may be used less for knights, but it's still a potential instantaneous snap aggro ability. Taunt can save a charmer from a charm break, it can hitch a ride on all that threat/hate on that mob the Bard was snaring etc.

It's utterly moronic to continuously spam this ability when it only generates 1 point of hate/threat if you're at the top of the list already. Come on! As Troxx said: it's not rocket science.

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