Would EQ be more fun if they made it hard again?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This reminds me of an interesting essay I read about EQ: http://www.nickyee.com/eqt/skinner.html

Who doesn't enjoy a nice food pellet on a random ratio reward schedule? Thanks for sharing that.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As to the thread topic. I think EQ was fun because it was novel and it did something new on a scale that we had never seen before. It's addictive and I think that gets confused with fun often. There's a million micro goals to get constant dopamine hits and as I've preached before, this game is a gambling sim with social elements to reinforce the addictiveness. If you feel like you have a community, it's hard to leave the behavior you associate with that community behind. Like you have to drop your friend group if you wanna get off drugs. Game was made by a guy with addiction problems and if the current year you're reading this is any indication, he did a pretty good job channeling that experience into his game.

Low blow with that brad smear, smh. Always makes me sad. Hey guys I'm not addicted to eq, it's just that brad was addicted to pills! Nice post hoc rationalization there.

Lots of people play eq casually without issue, they are often referred to as the "filthy casuals".

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ would be more fun if there weren’t players continuously doing the same stale content for 5-10 years and getting sweaty as hell over it

yeah, i have zero interest in playing EQ again after multiple runs on different emu servers, i don't even think i'm going to play M&M or Pantheon because it's gonna be the same shitty player behavior.

next MMORPG I'll care about is the first decent fantasy virtual reality one in the style of .hack//Sign or Ready Player One
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[Ekco]

[QUOTE=Ciderpress;3716731]Always makes me sad. Hey guys I'm not addicted to eq, it's just that brad was addicted to pills! Nice post hoc rationalization there.
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you act like they aren't tons of interviews/forum posts with/from devs and ex coworkers talking about how shitty of a work environment he caused with his addiction before people politely stopped talking about it after he died from the exact shit people we're criticizing him as person about prior.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

It’s been so long I barely remember the concept of soft reserve but that is what we did in classic WoW. Raid sign up sheets allowed you to soft reserve an item, meaning if it dropped and you had it soft reserved you get it if you were the only person who did. Otherwise you roll against others who did. And if I recall winning a soft reserve roll meant you couldn’t roll on anything else for the rest of the raid (whereas you otherwise could on any drop that wasn’t soft reserved by anyone)

I’m assuming more hardcore guilds did DKP but the casual guilds and PuGs did soft reserve (least until other horrible forms of auctioning insane amounts of credit-card bought gold in raids, known as GDKP, became a thing)

But even with soft reserve I quit classic WoW partly because I had burned out on the PVE. After realizing that winning a piece of raid gear made my entire week and doing 3ish hour raids where it didn’t drop wrecked my night…I told myself “This is just fucking gambling. And I hate it”

And I quit then

[Ciderpress]

[QUOTE=Ekco;3716735]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always makes me sad. Hey guys I'm not addicted to eq, it's just that brad was addicted to pills! Nice post hoc rationalization there.
/QUOTE]

you act like they aren't tons of interviews/forum posts with/from devs and ex coworkers talking about how shitty of a work environment he caused with his addiction before people politely stopped talking about it after he died from the exact shit people we're criticizing him as person about prior.

So? What does that have to do with my critique of cecily passing the buck to brad for her own eq addiction?

I feel like you don't like me now just cause I'm critical of stealing software.

[Ciderpress]

I should be clear btw: I'm addicted to EQ also, I just don't blame other people for it.

[Ciderpress]

The notion that EQ had some kind of grand design to addict their subscribers is ridiculous if you just listen to the aforementioned interviews with the original devs. They're all like: "yeah we had no idea if it was gonna succeed and constantly expected to get the axe, we all just liked d&d and muds". You might be able to make an argument WoW is kinda guilty of actually consciously calculating the addictive nature of their game cause they had the benefit of observing EQ for five years.

It's also ridiculous to even compare it to some kind of legitimate addiction. A healthy relationship with eq or any other fun videogame is completely possible, but nobody has a "healthy relationship" with heroin or crack. Actual gambling is kind of a gray area, but it's definitely pretty close to a drug in terms of potential ruination of one's life.

[Ekco]

you were instituting he wasn't a piece of shit, when 30 years of internet posts disagree with you.

there is no "low blow" about a guy who got caught stealing prescribed medication from coworkers because he was, a piece of shit.

he just happened to make a game you like. nice triple post btw

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s been so long I barely remember the concept of soft reserve but that is what we did in classic WoW. Raid sign up sheets allowed you to soft reserve an item, meaning if it dropped and you had it soft reserved you get it if you were the only person who did. Otherwise you roll against others who did. And if I recall winning a soft reserve roll meant you couldn’t roll on anything else for the rest of the raid (whereas you otherwise could on any drop that wasn’t soft reserved by anyone)

I’m assuming more hardcore guilds did DKP but the casual guilds and PuGs did soft reserve (least until other horrible forms of auctioning insane amounts of credit-card bought gold in raids, known as GDKP, became a thing)

But even with soft reserve I quit classic WoW partly because I had burned out on the PVE. After realizing that winning a piece of raid gear made my entire week and doing 3ish hour raids where it didn’t drop wrecked my night…I told myself “This is just fucking gambling. And I hate it”

And I quit then

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